SCH new ability idea

[rawker]

Dissipation is an emergency button should fairy healing isn't sufficient. As I see it, it's a dead end ability just like how tank invulns are.

[Supersnow845]

Dissipation is an emergency button should fairy healing isn't sufficient. As I see it, it's a dead end ability just like how tank invulns are.

I see the exact opposite, dissipation is the foundation by which all the healing in this game should be based

If you want something you should give something up in exchange, you shouldn’t just be given limitless free healing that has no interaction

dissipation (and to a lesser extent seraph) are the core of the entire SCH job design because it both determines where your heals go and when you can burst for more damage, I’d honestly argue dissipation is the single most perfect ability across any of the 4 healers as it stands right now

[Aravell]

I see the exact opposite, dissipation is the foundation by which all the healing in this game should be based

If you want something you should give something up in exchange, you shouldn’t just be given limitless free healing that has no interaction

dissipation (and to a lesser extent seraph) are the core of the entire SCH job design because it both determines where your heals go and when you can burst for more damage, I’d honestly argue dissipation is the single most perfect ability across any of the 4 healers as it stands right now

It's probably also the reason why so many people hate that ability, because it's not completely free. Healers after ShB are so used to having everything for free that they can't accept an ability that requires you to pay a price to get the benefits.

[Eloah]

It's probably also the reason why so many people hate that ability, because it's not completely free. Healers after ShB are so used to having everything for free that they can't accept an ability that requires you to pay a price to get the benefits.

It's not so much the annoyance of "paying a price" It's the fact that no other healer loses access to 1/3 of their kit to gain a 20% increase in healing "magic" potency. It would go a long way if the buff applied to the oGCDs, but it doesn't. SCH only has 3 GCD heals and only one of them is a "pure" heal, so the buff applying to spells only is dumb.

Additionally, one could argue that, as a healer, the "trade" off for healing is less DPS. Plus SCH is the only job that doesn't have a heal and attack button. Reworking Dissipation is the perfect opportunity to fix that. But instead of a heal, it could be a shield, because honestly, that's what SCHs want more shielding skills.

Also for the OP

If I use Dissipation, or summon Seraph, my fairy goes away and I can't use a bunch of my skills.

Seraph doesn't lock you out of using any faerie skills, you are just boosting the faeries heals, by adding a shield to the heal. The only skill that is "replaced" kinda, is Fey Blessing. But you get Consolation in its place.

[Supersnow845]

It's not so much the annoyance of "paying a price" It's the fact that no other healer loses access to 1/3 of their kit to gain a 20% increase in healing "magic" potency. It would go a long way if the buff applied to the oGCDs, but it doesn't. SCH only has 3 GCD heals and only one of them is a "pure" heal, so the buff applying to spells only is dumb.

Additionally, one could argue that, as a healer, the "trade" off for healing is less DPS. Plus SCH is the only job that doesn't have a heal and attack button. Reworking Dissipation is the perfect opportunity to fix that. But instead of a heal, it could be a shield, because honestly, that's what SCHs want more shielding skills.

Also for the OP

Seraph doesn't lock you out of using any faerie skills, you are just boosting the faeries heals, by adding a shield to the heal. The only skill that is "replaced" kinda, is Fey Blessing. But you get Consolation in its place.

But that’s the point, the reason you use dissipation (well except for a 6/9 ED burst window) is because you want that 20% for spreadlo and on top of that it gives you 3 aetherflow stacks, so you trade the fairy for either a boost to damage, emergency oGCD healing or a massive boost to what’s already by far the strongest shield in the game, and if you plan your heals correctly you are functionally only losing embrace because when you dissipate you either have your fairy heals on CD or you don’t need them till dissipation is over

That’s what healing should be, a calculated decision that has potential upsides but may put you in danger if used incorrectly, you should be punished if you use dissipation incorrectly, that’s the entire point of the skill, dissipation would be less of a problem for the average player if the DPS loss of GCD healing was actually a common problem people had to contend with but since all 4 healers can pump out close to 3k raw potency of healing per minute without dropping a single damage spell dissipation feels the odd one out

Lilies being a conditional movement tool that was an absolute DPS loss but a gain over simply casting nothing was another good example of this, ShB WHM and SCH weren’t the problem, AST was the problem but rather than giving penalties to AST’s healing they just took them away from everyone else, SGE has a disgusting amount of free potency for a shield healer, it’s almost absurd, pneuma should be a long cast that’s a loss and requires a lot of free time to cast, panhaima should force you to choose the shields or the expiration heal, you shouldn’t get both for free, addersgall skill useage should cost mana, not regen it, so you are actively punished for throwing kerechole out every time you see a cast bar

[Eloah]

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What you are saying isn't inaccurate, but it doesn't change the fact that SCH loses access part of it's kit to gain a buff on only 3 skills. And in a perfect world, you could plan out using your skills methodically, but that is rarely the case. Lots of times the planned place for Dissipation, does not line up with Whispering Dawn or Fey Illumination. The skill is just clunky and feels counterintuitive to SCHs overall design. That is why most people want it reworked. SMN never had a move that removed the pet to gain more power; rework aside, why must SCH. The faerie should be more involved, not less.

[Supersnow845]

What you are saying isn't inaccurate, but it doesn't change the fact that SCH loses access part of it's kit to gain a buff on only 3 skills. And in a perfect world, you could plan out using your skills methodically, but that is rarely the case. Lots of times the planned place for Dissipation, does not line up with Whispering Dawn or Fey Illumination. The skill is just clunky and feels counterintuitive to SCHs overall design. That is why most people want it reworked. SMN never had a move that removed the pet to gain more power; rework aside, why must SCH. The faerie should be more involved, not less.

Exactly, you lose access to some skills to gain a meaningful buff to other skills, that is exactly how it should work, you shouldn’t get everything for free, that’s basically everything wrong with healers as they currently are

[Aravell]

What you are saying isn't inaccurate, but it doesn't change the fact that SCH loses access part of it's kit to gain a buff on only 3 skills. And in a perfect world, you could plan out using your skills methodically, but that is rarely the case. Lots of times the planned place for Dissipation, does not line up with Whispering Dawn or Fey Illumination. The skill is just clunky and feels counterintuitive to SCHs overall design. That is why most people want it reworked. SMN never had a move that removed the pet to gain more power; rework aside, why must SCH. The faerie should be more involved, not less.

Dissipation has been a part of SCH design since HW when it was introduced, it's kind of presumptious to claim that it's counterintuitive to SCH's design. SCH is meant to be a tactician, the supposed "clunk" and pre-planning requirement completely fits SCH's design.

[Nizzi]

I like how SCH heals and how it leverages its toolkit, and getting rid of the lockouts and choice just takes that away from me so people who have zero interest in how the job plays right now can play it like they play White Mage but this time they have a fairy
I would not have stuck with this game at all if SCH didn't exist, because all of the other healers have insanely boring 1 dimensional healing kits on top of having the most uninteresting DPS rotations imaginable
Why should I have to lose the thing I enjoy and spend a ton of time on so people who don't love it can just find something else to complain about

[Sylvain]

I see the exact opposite, dissipation is the foundation by which all the healing in this game should be based

If you want something you should give something up in exchange, you shouldn’t just be given limitless free healing that has no interaction

dissipation (and to a lesser extent seraph) are the core of the entire SCH job design because it both determines where your heals go and when you can burst for more damage, I’d honestly argue dissipation is the single most perfect ability across any of the 4 healers as it stands right now

You mean... Dissipation is the single most useless skill of the entire healing kit?

30s of no fairy healing to get... 300 potency? on a 3min CD?
Like, we're talking about 3min CD, something that should be on par with Lilibell and Macrocosm.

Dissipation is the worst skill ever.
You loose your fairy to get 3 Flux + 20% more healing on spells... great, except that healing from flux don't get the healing bonus which is your bread and butter when it comes to healing. You also get no fairy gage from those flux which would most likely be useless because if you need 3 flux, the odds of having your SS, Indom or Excog on CD are quite high.
So indeed, all your left is, 300 potency of flux.

A 3min cd to get 300 potency and less healing for 30s.

At this point they could remove the skill and increase your broil potency by 5 and that'd be enough.

The issue isn't that it isn't free. the issue is that what you get makes no sens.
You get a healing buff that doesn't work with 90% of your kit
You get a ressource for healing skills which are most likely on CD and thus unusable.
You loose a synergy

They could remove the skill and put 5potency on broil and nothing would change beside saving SCH 1 button press.

If Dissipation would apply to ogcd and resets your indom, ss, excog cd (or just 1 for that matter) it would become really great and there the cost of fairy would kind of make sens.
But atm it doesn't, and the only realy it's still used is because for some reason the SCH community managed to make SS put back Energy Drain after its removal. (oddly enough, Sage suffers from the exact same issue and yet no one cares)
If they hadn't added ED back, this skill would make even less sens.