SCH new ability idea

[ForsakenRoe]

Union and Seraph don't actually lock you out of anything though. Union use to, but that was changed. But that ghosting and delay is frustrating. Sometimes it feels like Seraph is only a 15 second summon at times.

You can't use Dissipation or Seraph while using Union, without cancelling Union, creating a 'soft lockout'. On the other hand, you are completely unable to use Union, Dissipation or Fey Blessing (???) while Seraph is out

I agree just bring rouse back and have rouse eos turn blessing into consolation and either make angel whisper and seraphic illumination do something different or just delete them as redundant extras

It'd probably be so much less of a clunky feeling if Seraph was a model swap of the Eos entity while it was empowered by Rouse (which can upgrade to Summon Seraph at 80 I don't care), instead of summoning a separate entity. That way, the skill queue would carry over between the two. If that's how it works already, then the issue is that they gave us pointless reskins of skills (Fey Illum > Seraphic Illum, for example), which means that when it reverts back to Eos, it can't find Seraphic Illumination as a valid skill for Eos to use. Either way, it's implemented in a very strange way

[Eloah]

You can't use Dissipation or Seraph while using Union, without cancelling Union, creating a 'soft lockout'. On the other hand, you are completely unable to use Union, Dissipation or Fey Blessing (???) while Seraph is out

I see what you meant now. Yes, the capstone skills not being able to interact has been another issue that players have expressed throughout the years.

I will say Fey Blessing kinda gets a pass with Seraph since you get Consolation, but that doesn't address the point of the other skills.

[rawker]

I see what you meant now. Yes, the capstone skills not being able to interact has been another issue that players have expressed throughout the years.

I will say Fey Blessing kinda gets a pass with Seraph since you get Consolation, but that doesn't address the point of the other skills.

Think of it like this... In ARR, Eos and Selene, despite having the same basic healing ability, Embrace, Eos was more focused on healing while Selene was more onto debuffing and draining MP and TP from your allies. . Having Eos out prevents you from using any of Selene's abilities, vice versa. Apply that towards having Seraph. As for the other abilities, it is more an indirect form of exclusivity. For instance, Aetherpact is forcing your pet to heal bomb a specific target, pretty much like a macro'ed Embrace+Adloquium of the olden times. Dissipation is just a way to give you a self buff to give more potent shielding and more stacks when the pet will not cover.

[Eloah]

Think of it like this... In ARR, Eos and Selene, despite having the same basic healing ability, Embrace, Eos was more focused on healing while Selene was more onto debuffing and draining MP and TP from your allies. . Having Eos out prevents you from using any of Selene's abilities, vice versa. Apply that towards having Seraph. As for the other abilities, it is more an indirect form of exclusivity. For instance, Aetherpact is forcing your pet to heal bomb a specific target, pretty much like a macro'ed Embrace+Adloquium of the olden times. Dissipation is just a way to give you a self buff to give more potent shielding and more stacks when the pet will not cover.

I hope this doesn't sound off, but why are you explaining the skills to me? I'm a Scholar. I've played the job since I started. I've been through every awkward change SE has put us through. God I miss my massive amount of DoTs, T.T

[Supersnow845]

You are missing the big reason that the 20% healing up is so useful; in that it’s a buff for spreadlo, an extra free 20% up on spreadlo is huge considering how strong spreadlo already is

Regardless my point on why dissipation is a well designed skills is the fact that it’s designed so that it can be both a healing gain (that spreadlo buff can eliminate the need for a mitigation that can be placed elsewhere, or reduce the need for later healing after the fact) and also a DPS gain but if used wrong can be a massive downside (the whole shtick with dissipation in modern SCH design is if you are using dissipation to get aetherflow to use aetherflow heals you are already using dissipation wrong so the lack of a buff to aetherflow heals is pointless because that’s not dissipations purpose in modern SCH design, if you are dissipating with aetherflow heals on CD you are making two blatant mistakes in one right there)

I despise lilybell and macrocosmos (and pneuma to be fair), healing of that magnitude should not be free (hell pneuma and macrocosmos are conditional DPS gains at zero cost), healing should come at a cost, GCD healing costs, old lily’s cost, aetherflow healing costs, that’s what all healing should be, a calculated decision that has upsides and downsides, if you use it at the right time you are rewarded, if you use it at the wrong time you are punished

Dissipation retaining the old HW design of oGCD’s being on massive long CD’s (same problem illumination suffers from) and energy drain being weak as hell to the point that optimising energy drains doesn’t feel particularly rewarding are valid criticisms but that’s more a problem with energy drain not dissipation

I don’t like free healing, addersgall is a travesty of a system, DPS neutral lily’s are as well, the 90 capstone skills outside expedient are disgusting and should all be deleted, there should be punishment for healing wrong and choices to be made that determine how much damage you are allowed to do, dissipation is the only healing skill in the game that offers that choice

[rawker]

You are missing the big reason that the 20% healing up is so useful; in that it’s a buff for spreadlo, an extra free 20% up on spreadlo is huge considering how strong spreadlo already is

Don't forget to Fey Illumination and Protraction before dissipating the fairy for even thicker spreadlo.

You mean... Dissipation is the single most useless skill of the entire healing kit?

That is why you have to plan everything and use fairy abilities first so you can dissipate it without any worries of losing out on its abilities while under the effect of Dissipation.

If anything, I do not want SE to dumb down SCH's kit. The thinking requirement adds to the charm of the job, alongside the pet management, whatever remains of it.