Yoshi-P: "If you want more engaging content, go play Ultimate"

[SieyaM]

While it certainly wouldn’t revolutionise anything we have to acknowledge there is must be a reason why healing is so singularly unpopular in this game, I don’t think attempting changes to try to figure out why is necessarily a bad thing

Because there is nothing particularly engaging about it, you spend most of your time DPSing with the singular spell you have for it without ever really working towards something. DPS and even tanks I believe have some kind of burst phase that you are using your rotation to build towards, even if it's all on a 2 minute timer now. As a healer you have none of this, just DPS spam while using your oGCD kit to heal whatever there is.

[Supersnow845]

Because there is nothing particularly engaging about it, you spend most of your time DPSing with the singular spell you have for it without ever really working towards something. DPS and even tanks I believe have some kind of burst phase that you are using your rotation to build towards, even if it's all on a 2 minute timer now. As a healer you have none of this, just DPS spam while using your oGCD kit to heal whatever there is.

That’s true but then what’s the reason for why we had that, then it got removed, we saw that the healer population collapsed then square decided to double and triple down with that design

[Colt47]

That’s true but then what’s the reason for why we had that, then it got removed, we saw that the healer population collapsed then square decided to double and triple down with that design

it got removed because of the tasks that a healer has to deal with. While fights do have a flow to them at end game, the one thing people can't control is the people they are partied with and this aspect hits healers the hardest, with having to hit the floor rezzing someone before a mechanic goes off, then potentially having to fully heal the group afterwards. Albeit, with the eight man jump rope we got now maybe it matters less but I still see a lot of panic rezzing happening in PF.

[Supersnow845]

it got removed because of the tasks that a healer has to deal with. While fights do have a flow to them at end game, the one thing people can't control is the people they are partied with and this aspect hits healers the hardest, with having to hit the floor rezzing someone before a mechanic goes off, then potentially having to fully heal the group afterwards. Albeit, with the eight man jump rope we got now maybe it matters less but I still see a lot of panic rezzing happening in PF.

I fail to see how that’s really relevant, DPS wipe the raid all the time because they “forgot” to press addle (ie were in their burst phase and couldn’t be bothered to press it) why should healers be the only ones punished with a crap rotation because certain people don’t want to press their buttons

[Tsumdere]

it got removed because of the tasks that a healer has to deal with. While fights do have a flow to them at end game, the one thing people can't control is the people they are partied with and this aspect hits healers the hardest, with having to hit the floor rezzing someone before a mechanic goes off, then potentially having to fully heal the group afterwards. Albeit, with the eight man jump rope we got now maybe it matters less but I still see a lot of panic rezzing happening in PF.

I don't understand this "healer pressure" argument. DPS and Tanks still have to continue doing their job, press the same amount of buttons, and stay alive. DPS and Tanks are also expected to upkeep a more complicated rotation while using their mits and heals. Some DPS are also expected to raise in sketchy situations. DPS and Tanks can also be matched with bad healers who constantly hit the floor and need to be scraped up. Why then are healers singled out for babying?

[Colt47]

I don't understand this "healer pressure" argument. DPS and Tanks still have to continue doing their job, press the same amount of buttons, and stay alive. DPS and Tanks are also expected to upkeep a more complicated rotation while using their mits and heals. Some DPS are also expected to raise in sketchy situations. DPS and Tanks can also be matched with bad healers who constantly hit the floor and need to be scraped up. Why then are healers singled out for babying?

I'm not even saying it does make sense. The one designing the jobs can choose how someone stores up energy or whatever for a burst type of window. This is just a guess since healers that are generally newer to the task tend to have trouble managing cast times, which is one of the features of both caster dps and healers.

[Deceptus]

it got removed because of the tasks that a healer has to deal with. While fights do have a flow to them at end game, the one thing people can't control is the people they are partied with and this aspect hits healers the hardest, with having to hit the floor rezzing someone before a mechanic goes off, then potentially having to fully heal the group afterwards. Albeit, with the eight man jump rope we got now maybe it matters less but I still see a lot of panic rezzing happening in PF.

The problem is that CBU3 has decided that "difficulty" is nothing more than body checks. You fail, you die.

You can't fix stupid, you can only raise it and then those people do 25/50% less damage.

[SieyaM]

That’s true but then what’s the reason for why we had that, then it got removed, we saw that the healer population collapsed then square decided to double and triple down with that design

Some things I was perfectly happy to see go, such as cleric stance, while others like Shadow Flare I really wish would make a return. It seems they are of the mind that healers are spending all of their time and energy figuring out how to heal party members while the reality is we have way too many tools to do so without enough reason to use them, and so much down time which can only be spent using your very few DPS options.