Yoshi-P: "If you want more engaging content, go play Ultimate"

[Supersnow845]

The second tier wasn't even a healer check, it was a mitigation check, which meant that healers had to hope DPS players had their mitigation tools on their hotbar and paying enough attention to press it.

Healing in this game will never be interesting or fun.

This was the problem with abyssos, the DOT busters and the DOT raidwides specifically created a situation where if everyone didn’t contribute mitigation then the DOT’s would just murder the party but the situation “looked” like it was the healers fault for not healing enough rather than being the fault of the tanks/DPS for not pressing their mitigation buttons

No tank I don’t want to sit there and cast succor 7 times till the DOT wears off (if we could even survive with me spamming succor) because you forgot to press reprise and the DNC forgot to cast shield samba

It was a tier that just brought to light very strongly that giving so much mitigation to the DPS who refuse to press it just feels like crap as a healer

[KageTokage]

The prospect of healing kits getting progressively more bloated with defensive/healing cooldowns while largely refusing to make them actually feel necessary in lower difficulty does not particularly excite me.

Heal/mitigation checks like Harrowing Hell and the soft enrage on Zeromus should really be par for the course, not exceptions to norm.

[Aravell]

This was the problem with abyssos, the DOT busters and the DOT raidwides specifically created a situation where if everyone didn’t contribute mitigation then the DOT’s would just murder the party but the situation “looked” like it was the healers fault for not healing enough rather than being the fault of the tanks/DPS for not pressing their mitigation buttons

No tank I don’t want to sit there and cast succor 7 times till the DOT wears off (if we could even survive with me spamming succor) because you forgot to press reprise and the DNC forgot to cast shield samba

It was a tier that just brought to light very strongly that giving so much mitigation to the DPS who refuse to press it just feels like crap as a healer

And yet, we have DPS mains who complain when we ask for Addle and Feint to be removed and returned to healers as Virus and Disable. Can't win either way.

[Rein_eon_Osborne]

[…]Heal/mitigation checks like Harrowing Hell and the soft enrage on Zeromus should really be par for the course, not exceptions to norm.

Not gonna lie, I’m morbidly curious how DF would end up if this were more of the norm.

And yet, we have DPS mains who complain when we ask for Addle and Feint to be removed and returned to healers as Virus and Disable. Can't win either way.

Ah yes, the classic “But what if my healer sucks/stressed?? I don’t want my fun to end because they don’t press the mits???”-DPS.

[Aravell]

Ah yes, the classic “But what if my healer sucks/stressed?? I don’t want my fun to end because they don’t press the mits???”-DPS.

Ah yes, obviously the correct solution is for the bosses to apply a 10% damage down to themselves before every mechanic for optimal DPS player fun.

[Sebazy]

Not gonna lie, I’m morbidly curious how DF would end up if this were more of the norm.

Assuming we are just talking big damage and not Savage level mechanics thrown in at the same time, I think people would adapt and adjust over time.

Early ARR was 'fine' despite healing requirements in casual content being an order of magnitude more demanding than what we see now.

[Deceptus]

And yet, we have DPS mains who complain when we ask for Addle and Feint to be removed and returned to healers as Virus Shell and Disable Protect. Can't win either way.

FTFY

DPS: "We can't possibly lose these buttons we rarely ever, if ever, press!!"

[Maltothoris]

Part of me believes they got rid of Virus and Disable because they couldn't be bothered to think of anything for whm during that expansion when they went hard on the stormblood lilies there.

[tearagion]

Imo it's fun to contribute to mitigation as a DPS. The game shouldn't be designed around people who can't manage even that, and teamwork and reasons to cooperate in a party setting shouldn't be eroded for the sake of willfully bad players either. Healers need more serious and comprehensive help than a single other mitigation to bloat their bars.

[ForteNightshade]

Honestly, I really want to know who this current healer design is meant to satisfy. People who want to optimise get shafted by a dull damage kit and a stupid amount of OGCDs to mash so you never have to think about what to use. People who want to heal get shafted by heals being so powerful and damage intake being so low across the majority of the content.

I get so confused when we get people that say they love the current healer design, what's there to love about it? It's a design that shafts everyone and satisfies no one.

Players who play extremely casually both in time investment and skill level. We have a few posting on the forums themselves talking about how much they love certain healers. In general, it's those players who spam Medica II for every AoE and who throw up needless Succors. They all think they're contributing despite only negating what their co-healer already had going. But so long as the illusion continues, the devs seem happy.

Now I don't think they can that illusion up much longer nor can they keep dumbing down the jobs because it has caused something of a ripple. That being said, they might also not know how to design their way out of the hole they've dug while still retaining that ease of accessibility they've insisted upon. So... I suppose we'll see. I certainly can't say I expect much.