Can we have an honest conversation about the Scions? Dawn Trail

[SieyaM]

I can't help but think of Marvel, and how grand it's been going for them after retiring the popular original team they built their universe around while hoping their fans would be interested in an all new cast. Or when Paramount retired the Star Trek: The Next Generation crew and provided us with the cast of Voyager to compensate.

Where's my sarcasm emoji..

Wouldn't the argument here be more along the lines of them keeping the original crew and not having the next generation at all?

[Ath192]

Wouldn't the argument here be more along the lines of them keeping the original crew and not having the next generation at all?

That's exactly what the argument he is making is. Hence he even mentioned he was being sarcastic.

Here is the thing though, the incoming cast has to be more mature and relatable than the current scions. People generally don't like a bunch of new kids taking over with a bunch of naive and idealistic tendencies. There's good and noble plotlines that are more realistic, and then there's happily ever after nothing bad ever happens to the main cast cringe. I would venture to say we are more in the latter camp as of now.

I would take any plotline at this point over being the bodyguard of two teens teaching nations to be good again and getting involved in politics. What's worse, is said political leaders taking them seriously. I mean, the game had Alphinaud running around with a private army early in this game, and fortunately it turned out bad, because if the crystal braves had been successful, I do think I would've lost all interest in the plot going forward. But that aside, we have liberated Ishgard, Ala Mhigo, restored Doma, united all the city states with the beast tribes, dethroned everyone we didn't like, opened up Sharlayan, saved the universe, taught the garleans to be nice and now we're going to another continent with the same people to presumably go tell them how to live their lives.

Part of me would prefer a plot where we go to a place and not stage a coup d'etat to install a new regime or change the style of leadership. I would love to just visit a foreign place where we don't get deeply involved in the political structure and our adventure happens without us interrupting the form of governance in the location.

Come to think of it. How many leaders of a city/nation have we murdered?

There's the pope for HW, the garlean govt in doma for SB, Vauthry in the first for SHB, Garlemald's leadership for EW

Like, everywhere we go a governments head will roll at this point.

Actually, in the trailer for Dawntrail it sure looks like we're in the process of beheading another. But I will reserve my judgment until we know for sure. We are literally installing a new world order.

[SieyaM]

That's exactly what the argument he is making is. Hence he even mentioned he was being sarcastic.

Here is the thing though, the incoming cast has to be more mature and relatable than the current scions. People generally don't like a bunch of new kids taking over with a bunch of naive and idealistic tendencies. There's good and noble plotlines that are more realistic, and then there's happily ever after nothing bad ever happens to the main cast cringe. I would venture to say we are more in the latter camp as of now.

I would take any plotline at this point over being the bodyguard of two teens teaching nations to be good again and getting involved in politics. What's worse, is said political leaders taking them seriously. I mean, the game had Alphinaud running around with a private army early in this game, and fortunately it turned out bad, because if the crystal braves had been successful, I do think I would've lost all interest in the plot going forward. But that aside, we have liberated Ishgard, Ala Mhigo, restored Doma, united all the city states with the beast tribes, dethroned everyone we didn't like, opened up Sharlayan, saved the universe, taught the garleans to be nice and now we're going to another continent with the same people to presumably go tell them how to live their lives.

Part of me would prefer a plot where we go to a place and not stage a coup d'etat to install a new regime or change the style of leadership. I would love to just visit a foreign place where we don't get deeply involved in the political structure and our adventure happens without us interrupting the form of governance in the location.

Come to think of it. How many leaders of a city/nation have we murdered?

There's the pope for HW, the garlean govt in doma for SB, Vauthry in the first for SHB, Garlemald's leadership for EW

Like, everywhere we go a governments head will roll at this point.

Actually, in the trailer for Dawntrail it sure looks like we're in the process of beheading another. But I will reserve my judgment until we know for sure. We are literally installing a new world order.

I do wonder how they will try to sell this as something other than Scions visiting a foreign land they know nothing of and imposing their own ideals on them while installing leadership they want.

[Gyson]

Wouldn't the argument here be more along the lines of them keeping the original crew and not having the next generation at all?

I figured someone was going to ask that, but (in my mind) no.. I did not reference the original crew because the original series ended 18 years before The Next Generation.

Comparing Paramount's quick shift from TNG to DS9 and Voyager (and the cast changes happening at Marvel over the last few years) feel much more comparable to having the Scions around in one expansion and then suddenly replacing them all with a new cast for the next expansion. It's too jarring, and people who enjoy the Scions (or the cast of TNG, or the original Avengers cast) didn't get 18 years to get over the idea that they're favorite characters have been phased out.