Paladin Skill Count Question

[Metricasc]

I wouldn't want Intervention and Sheltron be consolidated into one button tbh, especially given that intervention is currently a much stronger CD than Cover and a better use of gauge for target mit.

where with some other buttons where they share a CD (thill & BW for example), PLD has a unique ability where you can mit yourself with sheltron and then cast intervention to your Co tank at the same time, and this is very useful in a lot of high end scenarios as PLD gauge is very free (10 autos for 50, 20 autos to completely refill). a good example for this is DSR, with how you can mit though Double Dragons and also the thordan busters + cleaves. or in any situation where there is tank busters on both tanks.

as for right now, the button that really don't have a lot of use alongside cover is Shield bash, this is taking AoE situations in dungeons into account. shield lob isnt as useful due to Holy Spirit, but it is the PLD equivalent to tomahawk and the others including the increased aggro. clemency and cover will likely stay as it is the part of the overall class flair to the callbacks to past PLD's (and their use of restorative white magic)

as for button bloat, the likely case for next expansion is that if they do not remove buttons, they will mostly just give upgrades on top of existing buttons (take goring blade right now or known as Boring blade, this could be upgraded to a different move at 100, the same can be done with Circle of Scorn)

Edit for other parts:

Cover has more or less been dead in general use since SHB where it was brought into the Oath Gauge AND removed the 20% mit the PLD got in Stormblood. I have been wanting them to rework it or make it worth the gauge cost for about 5 years now as it went untouched in EW

TBN while cool, is objectively one of the worst tank cooldowns this expac. given it costs MP for a shield that has 25% of the targets max HP into it AND if it doesn't pop you waste a resource that is tied to the DRK's damage output.

[Rithy255]

I wouldn't want Intervention and Sheltron be consolidated into one button tbh, especially given that intervention is currently a much stronger CD than Cover and a better use of gauge for target mit.

But... it would still be pretty much the same ability? if not stronger if you consolidated both?
I don't see a lot of people also saying they don't want its double tank buster capabilities to still be a thing.

with cover it shouldn't really be on gauge, I feel like PLD's "gauge" really comes to being something that can easily be replaced if holy/intervention were on two shared stacks anyway.

[Metricasc]

But... it would still be pretty much the same ability? if not stronger if you consolidated both?
I don't see a lot of people also saying they don't want its double tank buster capabilities to still be a thing.

Not exactly, what differs intervention from sheltron overall is that the mit for the full CD goes from 10% to 20% if rampart or Sentinel is active on the PLD when its used on another party member, this is separate from Knights Resolve which is an additional 10% for 4 seconds and a regen.

sheltron is a flat 15% on the PLD before knights resolve.

and as stated previously, having the ability to chuck 2 short mits to you as a PLD and the other tank is huge in a lot of situations. it really shines in ex trials, savage raids and ultimate raids.
allowing for the class having one of the best defensive profiles out of any tank as is.

trust me on this, removing it is a terrible idea despite not many talking about it.

[Rithy255]

Not exactly, what differs intervention from sheltron overall is that the mit for the full CD goes from 10% to 20% if rampart or Sentinel is active on the PLD when its used on another party member, this is separate from Knights Resolve which is an additional 10% for 4 seconds and a regen.

sheltron is a flat 15% on the PLD before knights resolve.

and as stated previously, having the ability to chuck 2 short mits to you as a PLD and the other tank is huge in a lot of situations. it really shines in ex trials, savage raids and ultimate raids.
allowing for the class having one of the best defensive profiles out of any tank as is.

trust me on this, removing it is a terrible idea despite not many talking about it.

I think I rather Intervention/Sheltron be the same ability, rather then slightly different Mitigation values where holy Sheltron is usually the stronger one, I'd be more content with intervention if it actually felt like a different ability but in reality it's used in the exact same way you'd use TBN or HOC on a party member, The only real difference is because it's tied to gauge you can use it on self and a target. The Idea that the 20% or 30% mit active adds more depth to the ability is really is just odd, to me it feels like PLD gets a worser effect for party members while warrior gets to heal both targets, GNB gets to shield and DRK has oblation & TBN. using on someone else is a net neutral where as Intervention is generally a slightly worse holy sheltron. Intervention isn't really anything interesting. I wouldn't even mind if it had to take up hotbar space still, just it was more consistent and it shared a similar animation to holy sheltron, instead of throwing a circle at a person.

I really don't think anything would be lost by merging the two, other then double tank busters becoming a bit more annoying, Which is something I think they could solve, But personally I think making more space for Paladin is Ideal as the current Job is already bland and is in need of interesting skills and less skills that are filler like going blade. Intervention/sheltron being merged makes sense to me, but it's not the only button I would change, I've mentioned merging previous buttons.

To me Paladin really needs a overhaul, It's clear the direction of the job is in a rough spot, theirs really nothing that can be added other then upgrades, which to me I think I'll just give up on playing PLD if it stays the same, I really enjoyed it for it's rotational difference from other tanks in SHB and early EW, now it's very samey and the fact is the sheer amount of Filler, bloat and skills that could be merged are the reason why PLD's likely not going to be able to grow unless theirs serval buttons removed/reworked/merged. The gauge is out dated and needs a purpose other then being able to hold two charges of your defensive ability, Cover, clemency, shield bash all are just taking up hotbar space with rare useage, instead of some general useage while keeping PLD's identity, FOF & Req serve the same purpose of being burst buttons, Goring blade exists to exist. The list goes on with the Issues PLD has.