G-give it Back T---T; !!

[ty_taurus]

I think the number of people unhappy with its removal is far, far less than you actually think it is. Why do I think that? Because the number of people playing sam in savage didn't tank. It's still one of the most popular jobs.

Also, loud minorities are a thing, just need to look at politics for that to be obvious. I'm not saying you can't be upset that it's gone, and yes,your feedback is valid. But so is my opinion, and you can't tell me my opinion shouldn't matter because I don't feel as strongly about it as you do.

I was a SAM main since it's inception up until recently, due to disliking the 6.0 changes. I loved it at it's jankiest in 4.x. I loved it at it's best in 5.x. And I hate it now. (And I TRIED to like it. I did most of the 6.2 and 6.4 savage series on SAM, after having switched to DRG for 6.0. I ended up finishing 6.4 as MNK. And I haven't ever played MNK in Savage before that in any serious manner.

People can continue to play the job even if they like it less. Misshapen Chair, for example, continues to bash the loss of Kaiten at every turn, but still plays Samurai. A change can be considered negative, yet not enough to push someone out of their favorite job.

But regardless, I stand by the point I made that you have failed to counter thus far: There are enough people who are unhappy with the skills removal, enough to develop a vocal minority--enough to be a discussion point in multiple video topics that were linked in the original post of this thread. No matter how little respect you have for those people complaining about the loss of Kaiten, what have we gained at the cost of their enjoyment? Your continued dislike of the job regardless of Kaiten existing or not? A large population of players who didn't care about Kaiten before, and don't really care now that it's gone? Great, what a wonderful reward. I'm glad all the people who either no longer play Samurai because of Kaiten, or simply don't like the job as much as they did got to lose something they cared about in exchange for general apathy.

[Valkyrie_Lenneth]

People can continue to play the job even if they like it less. Misshapen Chair, for example, continues to bash the loss of Kaiten at every turn, but still plays Samurai. A change can be considered negative, yet not enough to push someone out of their favorite job.

But regardless, I stand by the point I made that you have failed to counter thus far: There are enough people who are unhappy with the skills removal, enough to develop a vocal minority--enough to be a discussion point in multiple video topics that were linked in the original post of this thread. No matter how little respect you have for those people complaining about the loss of Kaiten, what have we gained at the cost of their enjoyment? Your continued dislike of the job regardless of Kaiten existing or not? A large population of players who didn't care about Kaiten before, and don't really care now that it's gone? Great, what a wonderful reward. I'm glad all the people who either no longer play Samurai because of Kaiten, or simply don't like the job as much as they did got to lose something they cared about in exchange for general apathy.

The thing is, if people keep playing it, despite the thing that apparently gave them the most enjoyment being gone, that tells SE it wasn't that big of a deal.

[AsiTsurugi]

The thing is, if people keep playing it, despite the thing that apparently gave them the most enjoyment being gone, that tells SE it wasn't that big of a deal.

[Valkyrie_Lenneth]

SE goes off of metrics. Clearly they see less complaints about Kaiten being gone vs number of people who quit playing the job because of the changes. I hate to bring Xeno up because I dispise him, but he complained about WAR and then switched to GNB for one of the ultimates lol. Then WAR got changed. I'm not saying that was the cause, but they clearly pay attention to stuff like that.


Your meme comic has its uses, but in this case, i think it is incorrect.

All of this is also ignoring the fact that a chunk of MMO players are more conditioned to stick with something even if it's not immediately rewarding. It's that grind mindset and sunk cost fallacy that makes people stick with something longer than they would in a different type of game where they can just walk away. That mileage varies between people obviously but just because a lot of unhappy samurais are still sticking with the job isn't because it's not an issue it's just...like, y'know... grim hope

If they were going to reverse their decision, that threshold has long come and gone.