What lore do you ignore?

[Cleretic]

Also, why is our time the "real time" in a world with time travel?

Because we live there, obviously. In a story largely told within a specific time period, that time period defines what's dead and what's not. Sure, to Sokles in Elpis Amaurot isn't dead, but the story isn't about Sokles in Elpis.

It's also why G'raha's story doesn't function in the same ways as the necromancy stories: because to us, the person/places he's trying to save never died.

[Lady_Silvermoon]

Because we live there, obviously. In a story largely told within a specific time period, that time period defines what's dead and what's not. Sure, to Sokles in Elpis Amaurot isn't dead, but the story isn't about Sokles in Elpis.

It's also why G'raha's story doesn't function in the same ways as the necromancy stories: because to us, the person/places he's trying to save never died.

Oh god. You're literally saying all these people are less important because we're the main character. I give up. I have now accepted we will never see eye to eye.

[MikkoAkure]

Oh god. You're literally saying all these people are less important because we're the main character.

The game has been told from current time perspective this entire time. The Ancients had been dead for 12,000 years. Elidibus helped us go back in time in order to fix what was going on at our current time and considered it to be his duty to save our world from the Final Days. Elidibus tells us that we cannot make meaningful change because the reality we need to return to is a result of the end of their own. Our world and theirs cannot coexist.

The Ancients weren't even written into the story until a few years ago, this story isn't about them, they're the backstory for why things are the way they are now. Even Elidibus and Emet-Selch have accepted their fate with grace and assisted us. Elidibus' last words are telling Hydaelyn that it falls to Her and us to save "our star" as in both his and our own together. The Ancients are us. The Ascians have done what it seems like you cannot. The story and all of the characters have already moved on. I suggest you do the same.

I give up. I have now accepted we will never see eye to eye.

That's how I felt when you dropped this little gem:

Venat's fascist agenda

[ZavosEsperian]

Oh god. You're literally saying all these people are less important because we're the main character. I give up. I have now accepted we will never see eye to eye.

This is an unfortunate issue with discussion here, as most of the regulars of the lore forums will accept their various headcanons as truth where these truths require the reader/player of the game to make a "correct" interpretation of events to reach. From there, these individuals will attempt to explain why their truth is wholly correct without compromise or without accepting the logical leaps (headcanons) required to make their truth as they see it the absolute truth intended by the writers. It's why I take an approach that is more in-line with what Yoshi-P and the writers of the game intended, which leaves a good chunk of the events of the game open to player interpretation. I find this behavior extremely troubling as it would suggest the narrative of the lore forums agrees with is heavily controlled when, in reality, there is a fair amount of open-endedness due to the writers purposely writing the story in that way.

With that being said, there exists a thread over on the General Discussion side of the forums that contains people who are airing out their grievances involving EW in particular. As it is in General Discussion, trolls are abundant so I would caution responding to everyone who is in that thread but I would recommend looking it over if you have the time and maybe contributing your issues with the plot there. The thread is currently over 900 pages long admittedly, so if you do elect to look at previous posts, just know there is a lot of them