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    Cleretic's Avatar
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    Quote Originally Posted by MikkoAkure View Post
    That person is digging up old threads and spamming the forum as if it’s going to bring the Ancients back so it’s really not worth engaging them. They’ll tire themselves out eventually.
    Honestly, I think they already did. Going by their post history, I don't expect them to come back; they seem the type to really want to post about one subject, and then leave once they have.

    It was really frustrating to watch, because they had that awful mix of 'frequently factually incorrect' and 'grossly emotionally charged language'. I wanted to 'well actually' them a whole lot more than I have (Including with EE3 evidence, I was actually excited to bring that in), but for a lot of it they're clearly wrapping way too much of themselves and their own values into it, and they'd take it as a personal attack if I told them that actually, Emet would not be praised as the ender of poverty and sexual assault if he completed all the Rejoinings. I only really felt confident refuting the more isolated points, like a misunderstanding of how time travel works.

    I do kind of wonder why they did all this, because it really feels completely out of nowhere. Their post history confirms they're not the sort to do this regularly, and they completed Endwalker at least half a year ago (and were talking about very different parts of it), so this isn't 'I just hit the credits and I have kneejerk opinions'. It's also not just a new member/sockpuppet of the usual Team Zodiark crowd, because they tend to post together, and have fairly consistent talking points that this doesn't really jive with.

    Quote Originally Posted by RavLandslide View Post
    I also find it rather fair that he can easily redeem himself, but that might be because I don't really know how many suffered under his plot, whereas with Emet we know he had supposedly been responsible for the death of millions.
    No 'supposedly' about that: just looking for fairly direct attribution, he claims both the Allagan and Garlean empires as his. Even just going by Garlemald where we know his role, that puts a lot of deaths and suffering as his knowing and unapologetic fault, and if he got his way those numbers only would've been bigger.

    Meanwhile, Durante's biggest sin was basically an accident, and his actions afterwards were a misguided attempt to fix it that... didn't really end up with a particularly high bodycount. Not only does that make it very easy to believe that he's got his heart in the right place for improving, he also doesn't have a particularly big rap sheet for me to beg for a response to.

    ...he also actually wants to improve, so, he's got that over a hypothetical Emet redemption. Emet didn't want to redeem himself, because redemption implies ever thinking you did wrong, and he did not.
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    Last edited by Cleretic; 01-03-2024 at 09:49 AM.