Are <5.0 main villain> fanboys also supportive of <6.1-6.5 main villain>? *SPOILERS*

[Cleretic]

That person is digging up old threads and spamming the forum as if it’s going to bring the Ancients back so it’s really not worth engaging them. They’ll tire themselves out eventually.

Honestly, I think they already did. Going by their post history, I don't expect them to come back; they seem the type to really want to post about one subject, and then leave once they have.

It was really frustrating to watch, because they had that awful mix of 'frequently factually incorrect' and 'grossly emotionally charged language'. I wanted to 'well actually' them a whole lot more than I have (Including with EE3 evidence, I was actually excited to bring that in), but for a lot of it they're clearly wrapping way too much of themselves and their own values into it, and they'd take it as a personal attack if I told them that actually, Emet would not be praised as the ender of poverty and sexual assault if he completed all the Rejoinings. I only really felt confident refuting the more isolated points, like a misunderstanding of how time travel works.

I do kind of wonder why they did all this, because it really feels completely out of nowhere. Their post history confirms they're not the sort to do this regularly, and they completed Endwalker at least half a year ago (and were talking about very different parts of it), so this isn't 'I just hit the credits and I have kneejerk opinions'. It's also not just a new member/sockpuppet of the usual Team Zodiark crowd, because they tend to post together, and have fairly consistent talking points that this doesn't really jive with.

I also find it rather fair that he can easily redeem himself, but that might be because I don't really know how many suffered under his plot, whereas with Emet we know he had supposedly been responsible for the death of millions.

No 'supposedly' about that: just looking for fairly direct attribution, he claims both the Allagan and Garlean empires as his. Even just going by Garlemald where we know his role, that puts a lot of deaths and suffering as his knowing and unapologetic fault, and if he got his way those numbers only would've been bigger.

Meanwhile, Durante's biggest sin was basically an accident, and his actions afterwards were a misguided attempt to fix it that... didn't really end up with a particularly high bodycount. Not only does that make it very easy to believe that he's got his heart in the right place for improving, he also doesn't have a particularly big rap sheet for me to beg for a response to.

...he also actually wants to improve, so, he's got that over a hypothetical Emet redemption. Emet didn't want to redeem himself, because redemption implies ever thinking you did wrong, and he did not.

[Lady_Silvermoon]

So I have gathered since writing my earlier post. If someone genuinely wants to talk and bumps up a thread on the subject, fine; bump up five while not coming back to responses and I'm going to start assuming they're not here to discuss in good faith. Particularly on this subject.

Yikes. Way to judge me. I just started posting on the forums yesterday, so yeah, I commented on old stuff that interested me and I hadn't responded because I was sleeping. Catching up on what you said now.

[Lady_Silvermoon]

*snip*

Yes, I am aware, but when we first went back, I assumed us going back would lead to the outcome of two timelines like with what happened in Shadowbringers as it makes the most sense given we can keep going back there to do quests, raid and gather. I did not imagine my WoL just going back in history chilling with these people and not mentioning, "Oh, btw, the lot of you are about to die horribly, good luck with that."

I just assumed given it's a place we could continue to return to, our actions would be similar to G'raha's causing a new timeline. But nope, while it was okay to go back in time and save us, the Ancients must die for some reason.

[Lady_Silvermoon]

*snip*

All I know is there is a timeline where history has been changed and both timelines continue. Yes, they could make it so that we'd have trouble getting back to our time if we'd changed the past, but given they are handwaving us back and forth through time with magic, they could have just as easily given us two timelines, one where they were doomed and one where they were saved. It's not like there is any real science behind why I'm able to go back to Elpis and do the Pandamonium raids. And I was sure they were gonna do that, because who would go hang out with these people on the regular and not try to save them? I'm sick of my character glancing down and looking all sad when these people ask about the horrors coming their way.

[Lady_Silvermoon]

Honestly, I think they already did. Going by their post history, I don't expect them to come back; they seem the type to really want to post about one subject, and then leave once they have.

It was really frustrating to watch, because they had that awful mix of 'frequently factually incorrect' and 'grossly emotionally charged language'. I wanted to 'well actually' them a whole lot more than I have (Including with EE3 evidence, I was actually excited to bring that in), but for a lot of it they're clearly wrapping way too much of themselves and their own values into it, and they'd take it as a personal attack if I told them that actually, Emet would not be praised as the ender of poverty and sexual assault if he completed all the Rejoinings. I only really felt confident refuting the more isolated points, like a misunderstanding of how time travel works.

I do kind of wonder why they did all this, because it really feels completely out of nowhere. Their post history confirms they're not the sort to do this regularly, and they completed Endwalker at least half a year ago (and were talking about very different parts of it), so this isn't 'I just hit the credits and I have kneejerk opinions'. It's also not just a new member/sockpuppet of the usual Team Zodiark crowd, because they tend to post together, and have fairly consistent talking points that this doesn't really jive with.

You can see that much information on me? That's creepy. (My bad, I thought you could actually see my gameplay history, not that you guessed I finished Endwalker around my first posts.)

To answer your question, I googled something that landed me on a forum thread and I sat there reading through 60 pages of a lore discussion from like two years ago, but didn't want to comment on it because it was like two years ago. So after reading that, I looked up some more current posts. Wrote some comments, went to bed and woke up to my existence being highly analyzed and discussed in a way I'm not used to seeing on forums. But okay.

Just a rando who usually discusses lore on other mediums and just happened upon a forum post last night. That's all.

[ZavosEsperian]

You can see that much information on me? That's creepy.

To answer your question, I googled something that landed me on a forum thread and I sat there reading through 60 pages of a lore discussion from like two years ago, but didn't want to comment on it because it was like two years ago. So after reading that, I looked up some more current posts. Wrote some comments, went to bed and woke up to my existence being highly analyzed and discussed in a way I'm not used to seeing on forums. But okay.

Just a rando who usually discusses lore on other mediums and just happened upon a forum post last night. That's all.

Unfortunately, the inhabitance of the lore forums are not afraid to go through post histories. I tend to lurk instead of post but most who are of your mindset have moved on to greener pastures or also tend to lurk as well.

[jameseoakes]

Unfortunately, the inhabitance of the lore forums are not afraid to go through post histories. I tend to lurk instead of post but most who are of your mindset have moved on to greener pastures or also tend to lurk as well.

Yeah it really feels there's a creepy policing going on in the lore with people being pretty much harassed for talking about the wrong topics.

[Malackai]

You can see that much information on me? That's creepy. (My bad, I thought you could actually see my gameplay history, not that you guessed I finished Endwalker around my first posts.)

To answer your question, I googled something that landed me on a forum thread and I sat there reading through 60 pages of a lore discussion from like two years ago, but didn't want to comment on it because it was like two years ago. So after reading that, I looked up some more current posts. Wrote some comments, went to bed and woke up to my existence being highly analyzed and discussed in a way I'm not used to seeing on forums. But okay.

Just a rando who usually discusses lore on other mediums and just happened upon a forum post last night. That's all.

Don't worry about it think most of people at this point just lurk around. Personally I don't really visit the forums either maybe once a month or so.
So its weird that people expect you to answer like its a daily thing or so or that apparently timezone don't exist and people need to sleep...

Frankly I still find it a weird choice myself that they went with a non AU timeline especially since they established AU can exist.

But then again most of EW soured me at this point (Some the the messaging was just giving giant red flags for me personally.)

[Cleretic]

You can see that much information on me? That's creepy. (My bad, I thought you could actually see my gameplay history, not that you guessed I finished Endwalker around my first posts.)

Yeah; you don't have a very long post history, so I basically just hit 'View Forum Posts' and scrolled down very slightly. You posted about Meteion mid-ish last year, so I have very little information, but what I do have says 'you finished Endwalker back then at the latest, and had a different broad response. I didn't actually consider that a negative per se--I considered it a green flag of sorts actually, since you clearly don't have an established history and aren't some kind of burner account--it was just a bit curious.

Something you're probably not aware of is that this subforum has a particular problem with 'drive-by trolling' (I think a lot of subforums have it, but it's very noticeable here probably because the subject matter is much looser); someone who turns up exactly once, posts a weirdly argumentative hot take, and then completely vanishes. Sometimes they're there for one day, sometimes it's just a single post. It sucks, because I always like new people joining the conversation with new ideas, despite what some people might think... and then we instead just get an angry, probably deliberately incomplete argument from someone who never comes back. But a slight bit of extra reading can help identify the sort of person we're looking at pretty early, and help inform what conversation there is to have: if they're not coming back, you're not about to get any answers to your questions, but there might still be a conversation worth having about, say, 'all the ways the Empire didn't fix the primal problem and in fact made it worse'.

[SannaR]

Unfortunately, the inhabitance of the lore forums are not afraid to go through post histories. I tend to lurk instead of post but most who are of your mindset have moved on to greener pastures or also tend to lurk as well.

Maybe because we have had Titanman necro things as is their want and try and troll this subform? Or that other guy who openly called people in here slurs and whatnot begging us to report them so that they would get banned. That and some of those who post here don't frequent the other parts. And it's not like other people in other sections of this forum don't go and look at others post history. Then there are those who when subbed have in the past will talk about a thread's topic only to go "but did you know Venat's a b*tch and a genocidal maniac?" in the middle or the end of their statement knowing full well that it's bait in hopes they'll get round 456 about the sundering.