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  1. #31
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    Bonoki's Avatar
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    Phoebe Iris
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    Dark Knight Lv 60
    To address the elephant in the room, the problem isn't exactly the hoarding issues, but rather the sheer number of different forms of currencies the game has and will continue to add in future expansions.

    Some of these currencies are so old, I wish they'd just condense them down. Like take the Savage Books or Normal Mode items from Heavenward raids, it's so old and outdated of content that they could just combine all of these books into a single item at this point. Or expand it further like how Myth Tomes sort of already this does, but make all outdated Savages share the same type of book currency. I'm just spit balling ideas out here.
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  2. #32
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    Ken Entheria
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    Botanist Lv 90
    Quote Originally Posted by Jojoya View Post
    Any sort of decision making while you are playing a game that will affect what happens while you're playing, no matter how simple or uninteresting, is a form of gameplay. You don't get to decide it's not gameplay because you personally don't enjoy it.
    You even contradict yourself here, first saying the items can't be traded or sold then pointing out they can be turned in/traded for other items when you've collected enough.
    I really am not contradicting myself. Trade as in trading with another player. By your definition, moving HUD elements around is gameplay, which it isn't. Logging out of the game would be gameplay, which it isn't. Deleting an item isn't gameplay, just like abandoning a quest, leaving a dungeon, and queueing up into a duty isn't gameplay.

    Quote Originally Posted by Iscah View Post
    There is a functional difference in how you get them, though. Tribal currencies are automatically paid to you on completion of a quest, but raid tokens are loot that you have to roll for. We have no instances of being able to roll for currency, so the tokens might need to be inventory items for that purpose.
    Their functional use is the same. How you get them shouldn't matter., especially if everyone leaves the duty and all of the tokens you don't want drop into your inventory.


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    Also, trying to convince other players that they are hoarders is such a load of crap. People are entitled to the reward they earn from clearing a duty, they shouldn't have to lug around a token or do the duty consecutively to get use out of said tokens.
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  3. #33
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    Ewitt Rainbow
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    Balmung
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    Fisher Lv 100
    This game is a amusement park game, in turn when I log in I do roulette, socialize, relic, gathering, crafting, question, dailies.
    I don't want to log in everyday and grind out old content just to finish one thing so I don't need anymre of item x in my inventory.
    So ya my chocobo sack is full that is where I keep all these items till I'm ready to use them. I don't get why people argue against better systems when the quality of content isn't there.

    So raid Token get what you need and toss them, sounds like I need to grind the same raid every time I log in till I get what I want. That doesn't sound fun to me.
    God forbid I have 12 and a new raid comes out because I don't really enjoy ex content that much ok screw my current progress and wait till the next expansion so I can unsync it and grind it in a few log in sessions. Wait more grinding that I think is boring in a game with so many things to do.
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    Last edited by Kewitt; 12-23-2023 at 01:33 AM.

  4. #34
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    Iscah's Avatar
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    Aurelie Moonsong
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    Bismarck
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    Quote Originally Posted by KenZentra View Post
    Their functional use is the same. How you get them shouldn't matter., especially if everyone leaves the duty and all of the tokens you don't want drop into your inventory.
    But that's my point. I think it potentially is about how you get them, because you get them in different ways so the game may need to handle them in different formats.
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  5. #35
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    Feline Good
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    It's both hoarding issues and it really isn't.

    Personally I feel you can avoid a lot of these issues by only tackling most of your goals one at a time. For instance, prepping mats for all ARR + HW relics took over the last two sections of my inventory. Deciding to work on other big goals basically left me with next to no slots.

    I managed things fine using my retainers and saddle bags, but I can imagine a newer player running around starting a bunch of different projects without realizing what they're getting into, and getting overwhelmed very quickly.
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  6. #36
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    Jojoya Joya
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    Coeurl
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    Quote Originally Posted by KenZentra View Post
    I really am not contradicting myself. Trade as in trading with another player. By your definition, moving HUD elements around is gameplay, which it isn't. Logging out of the game would be gameplay, which it isn't. Deleting an item isn't gameplay, just like abandoning a quest, leaving a dungeon, and queueing up into a duty isn't gameplay.
    You're stretching things to an extreme because you don't like the answer you're getting.

    If it's not gameplay, then what's your worry? You don't have to do it.

    Quote Originally Posted by KenZentra View Post
    Also, trying to convince other players that they are hoarders is such a load of crap. People are entitled to the reward they earn from clearing a duty, they shouldn't have to lug around a token or do the duty consecutively to get use out of said tokens.
    No one has said you're not entitled to the reward. No one has said you must repeat the duty consecutively or your forfeit the ability to use it.

    But you do have to carry it around until you use it. If you're tired of carrying it around, then go use it. Many of the tokens that accumulate don't have to be used in multiples or the number required is small enough you probably got the correct quantity the same day.

    Some players truly are hoarders. They even admit it. They have difficulties controlling their need to keep everything they get because they might need it later. A year later, the number of those items have increased in their inventory and they still haven't used any of them.

    That's hoarding. We can't help it if you're offended by that simple truth.

    So stop rolling on those raid tokens if you're not going to use them. Stop looting chests the chests that drop them if you're soloing content. Stop holding onto quests that cause the items to drop if you're not actively working on a relic.

    You have the power to control whether or not you're getting those items in the first place in most cases. You also have the power to discard them if you don't want them or to use them on those occasions where you don't have control.

    You've made the request. SE either will change them to currency at some point in the future or they won't.

    What happens in the future does not remove them from your inventory now. What are you going to do to solve your problem now? Or are you just going to continue to sit on those item in your inventory hoping for a future that may never come?
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