How would you solve the boring "damage rotation" of the healers?

[ty_taurus]

Considering SCH can now use Energy Drain with Broil IV, using Ruin II at all is a loss compared to ShB. We're all happy that Ruin II exists, same with Toxikon (albeit that is its own can of worms), but that still doesn't stop our filler being 90% Glaroilificosis. Ruin II is a movement tool, not a rotational skill, same with Toxikon, so dismissing the complaints of pressing the same button over and over again because we have this one button that we MAY have to press (and ideally not want to press with Ruin II) every 20s isn't a comfort.

I'm not sure I'd describe myself as happy they exist. Toxikon is insulting to me, because it's what I think the designers thought would make Sage satisfactory to the collection of players who were complaining in Shadowbringers. And Ruin II has been disappointing for ages, and its use cases are hanging on by a thread as of EW because of the 1.5 second cast time. If they got sliced off as well, it wouldn't make me anymore unhappy with healers than I already am.

[TheDustyOne]

I'm not sure I'd describe myself as happy they exist. Toxikon is insulting to me, because it's what I think the designers thought would make Sage satisfactory to the collection of players who were complaining in Shadowbringers. And Ruin II has been disappointing for ages, and its use cases are hanging on by a thread as of EW because of the 1.5 second cast time. If they got sliced off as well, it wouldn't make me anymore unhappy with healers than I already am.

That's fair honestly, I don't have huge interest in Ruin II as it is currently, and yeah Toxikon is a letdown, but I don't hate the general ideas that they offer, they just need refining (lots of refining in the case of Toxikon).

[ty_taurus]

That's fair honestly, I don't have huge interest in Ruin II as it is currently, and yeah Toxikon is a letdown, but I don't hate the general ideas that they offer, they just need refining (lots of refining in the case of Toxikon).

I mean, "refining" may very well end up being something unrecognizable compared to the Toxikon we have now. If it were addressed, I don't think it I would look at the two as the same action. We need to ship of Theseus Toxikon.

[TheDustyOne]

I personally like the idea of making Toxikon oGCD since Sage is lacking any damage oGCDs. Toss a few addersting procs under Phlegma, have Dosis proc some other skill, and I'd probably play Sage a lot more than now.

[ty_taurus]

I personally like the idea of making Toxikon oGCD since Sage is lacking any damage oGCDs. Toss a few addersting procs under Phlegma, have Dosis proc some other skill, and I'd probably play Sage a lot more than now.

Casually shameless self-promotion aside, I mainly want to think more about Rhizomata in my idea. But that's something for another day.

SCH
-Can consume 50 fairy gauge to charge Ruin II
-Charged Ruin II does the same damage as your current Broil and returns 20 fairy gauge

This would make Ruin II useful as a movement tool again while giving an extra use to the fairy gauge, it's not a gain either so the fairy gauge won't be emptied for dps.

I'd rather just go back to ARR Ruin II still. Same potency, double MP cost. It's simple, it's easy, and it puts more value on MP as a system.

[Aravell]

I'm not sure I'd describe myself as happy they exist. Toxikon is insulting to me, because it's what I think the designers thought would make Sage satisfactory to the collection of players who were complaining in Shadowbringers. And Ruin II has been disappointing for ages, and its use cases are hanging on by a thread as of EW because of the 1.5 second cast time. If they got sliced off as well, it wouldn't make me anymore unhappy with healers than I already am.

I find neither spell interesting as well, some quick thoughts about how they could be made better:

SGE
-Phlegma now costs 2000 MP and has no cooldown
-Toxikon now generates 500 MP and reduces Phlegma MP cost by 50%
-Everytime Kardia procs, you fill a new gauge, when this gauge fills, you get an addersting charge

Phlegma is now your movement tool, you don't lose damage but you take out a chunk of your own MP. MP management would become relevant again and you'd have to be careful not to run out of MP during burst.

SCH
-Can consume 50 fairy gauge to charge Ruin II
-Charged Ruin II does the same damage as your current Broil and returns 20 fairy gauge

This would make Ruin II useful as a movement tool again while giving an extra use to the fairy gauge, it's not a gain either so the fairy gauge won't be emptied for dps.