"The Discourse is Dumb and Endwalker is FINE" - Wesk Alber

[DPZ2]

I just can't keep up with their ability to rub 2 braincells together at the speed of light.

So, are you dismissing their thoughts as invalid because ... you despise them personally?

Or are you gatekeeping content in the forums because it doesn't add anything to your own personal narrative? Because " If you're going to uncritically enjoy the game no matter what then this discussion is not for you." definitely appears to be gatekeeping.

[Stormpeaks]

So, are you dismissing their thoughts as invalid because ... you despise them personally?

Or are you gatekeeping content in the forums because it doesn't add anything to your own personal narrative? Because " If you're going to uncritically enjoy the game no matter what then this discussion is not for you." definitely appears to be gatekeeping.

Sometimes looking at someone's post history can do wonders, I'd invite you to do so with the person Volgia is talking about.

[Volgia]

So, are you dismissing their thoughts as invalid because ... you despise them personally?

Or are you gatekeeping content in the forums because it doesn't add anything to your own personal narrative? Because " If you're going to uncritically enjoy the game no matter what then this discussion is not for you." definitely appears to be gatekeeping.

I summarized the arguments we made against the videos in one post for them so they could engage with our ideas after they posted:

Do you folks realize parroting the same sentiment incessantly will not change the opinion of a human that can rub 2 brain cells together?

So how is that gatekeeping?

[DPZ2]

I summarized the arguments we made against the videos in one post for them so they could engage with our ideas after they posted:

No, you added this to your post after (a) dismissing their thoughts as invalid and (b) gatekeeping by telling them "If you're going to uncritically enjoy the game no matter what then this discussion is not for you."

Your so-called "summary" of arguments, after you basically said "get lost, your opinion doesn't matter here" was:

"If you want to join into the discourse that you obviously skipped 9 pages of then here's the TL : DR from people who criticize this video: Bad systems in Heavensward don't justify bland design choices in Endwalker."

That might have been your take on the discussion, but I read plenty from posters who disagree with that "summary".

Personally, I understood the basis of the initial video. I watched Xenosys expound on that video, what it got right, where what it said wasn't warranted ... and he certainly didn't come up with your TL;DR mumbo jumbo.

[strawberrycake]

Another Reason why XIV is in this state is also because no one ever looks at XIV objectively and talks about it's flaws openly. In 10 years of playing XIV people have only shat on it because 1.0 and have blindly praised it after. WE as the community ofc talk about it's flaws, WE play the game ffs, so it only makes sense we see them. But getting the same treatment any other MMO has gotten? People actually playing the games and talking about the state of the game from when they last played it? Rarely happens for XIV.

People look at XIV and they praise not having to have an alt, not realizing how surface lvl that is when you're not looking at it from the PoV of a long time MMO player who may have alts to raid with friends due to how the loot system works for savage. Or they see a new feature being talked about and instead of watching the twitch vod if they didn't catch the Live Letter, they just regurgitate what the community says in hyperbole. And some of you say lmao games journalists, but seriously, people do NOT criticize this game enough. XIV is always put on this Pedestal, and this is exactly that. Yes HW was worse, it was their first Expansion, thats like saying the first cake a baker made was bad.

EW is an objectively lack luster expansion for multiple reasons, and it's due to a history of people not being more critical of XIV, if you have a worker and they do just an alright job, you never push them to be better, they stagnate. No one in the media, no one talking about this game outside the community actually gives this game a fair shake Positively or Negatively. It's all the same BS stuff we all knew about because it was a marketed feature and something that's easy to find in a google search. Sitting here comparing EW to an expansion that was nothing but over turned content with lows of nothing better to do other THEN stand in Limsa Isn't a fair comparison.

[BRVV]

I want new ideas, and for them to take the best ideas they've had and build upon them in ways that grab me like I'm playing something for the first time again.

I share that sentiment. Hope we are wrong but i can see why they would opt for Endwalker-Part2. An expansion is expensive. So you want to go with a "save" option. We see it all the time with games and movies.

I felt the video was a waste of time also all it did was misdirect endwalkers criticism and dissatisfaction towards another expansion while also being like "see endwalkers is actually an ok expansion'.

The thing that kind of annoys me of this video is that he makes an argument that nobody is arguing against. Like "See how HW was janky and EW is not janky?", like no one is arguing that past expansions had QoL fixes

Wesk is trying to move the goalpost, so he can argue against a view he can (easily) win.

47 minutes? Is the guy hiring a video editor? I promise whatever message he's trying to say can be compressed to AT LEAST half that.

I couldn't finish the video. I don't find enjoyment in a mockery of every little detail of a video game. Apparently Wesk just *had* to complain about every bit of HW.

V&C Dungeons (both) are not popular
Eureka Orthos is the worst DD and its queue died remarkably fast
The less we talk about Island Sanctuary the better

V&C Dungeons don't even have group finders up most of the time... but then again idk if most just prefer FC runs. It's almost sad how fast EO died. Hey IS got a mount now! It's fixed! /s

The video that this thread is supposed to be about actually went into great detail why so many systems were terrible in Heavensward. The man had MANY great points and I agree with him.

Good for you. Now tell me... where is "Heavensward" in the title? I can't seem to find it. It seems to have a baitpost title to sh*t on the community. Weird.

*snip*

Do you always defend those that come in and throw insults or is it just the catgirls?

[Zairava]

Man bitches about Heavensward to try and make Endwalker look better than it actually is.

There, saved the people who're just getting here 47 minutes.

See you in 7.0 when DRG gets gutted Alber.

[Aexnidaral]

On the margins it's probably a good thing for the overall health and longevity of the game the people feel more comfortable being vocal about their criticisms for this game. Over the past couple of years or so things have been a bit too much of a hug-fest with many good faith criticisms, even if you disagree with them, getting absolutely lambasted for no discernable reason.

I disagree with most of Alber's thoughts in this video for the same reason I've had him blocked on Twitter for ages: he's kind of just a bad take content farm, but the more voices that add to the discourse the better, I suppose.

It is funny to me that so many people talk about the mythical "dead game doomers" when they don't *really* exist. Sure there are a couple of them that say shit like that but it's an extreme minority, and it's disingenuous for people to treat it like it's a serious issue or really give it any sort of thought in the discourse.

[Sebazy]

I personally never had any issues with w2w in any of those dungeons but I mainly played healer in roulettes so.

Anyder's first pull was a beat down on the tank assuming the group didn't wuss out and short pull:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RHAo9PpKGJI

Just looking at that tank damage gets me all misty eyed.

Compare it to a random warrior in dead ends pov's first pull: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xJzlvQ7XD_I

It's pretty shocking IMO.

[Rolder50]

I like how this guy goes after other people for using hyperbole and drama in their examples, while also going full in on the hyperbole himself. Real good stuff.