"The Discourse is Dumb and Endwalker is FINE" - Wesk Alber

[Mr_Gyactus]

I watched it

I watched it

[kingskye]

I'm sure she feels extra sorry for speaking her opinion out, maybe she should just stay quiet and not speak anything that's on her mind right ? It doesnt fit the whole "toxic positivity" yall love so much so it's bad right ?

poor little square enix, such a small indie company

Thank god you're here to comfort them at least that it'll be okay, "dont listen to those bad people crticizing your game, you're doing good SE, keep going !"

it doesnt help that zepla changes her stance on the topic...also when did this community called her a beacon of positivity? i watched her back in stormblood and she was critical then...

[kingskye]

Posting without further comment:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qUKSe0K8IfE
"The Discourse is Dumb and Endwalker is FINE" on YouTube

EDIT: By..."request", I guess?

A video from Wesk Alber about the state of Endwalker, contrasting with the beloved Heavensward, and the overall relatively recent deluge of content creators and people complaining about Endwalker as the worst expansion ever.

wesk is correct, no matter what people are complaining about the state of the expansion yet it was far far worse than it was back then...while i dont blame zepla for giving the bad actor's a voice...she seen this game on the surface level just like any of the msq andies who think shadowbringers was the mecca of good storytelling

[Volgia]

Do you folks realize parroting the same sentiment incessantly will not change the opinion of a human that can rub 2 brain cells together? I enjoyed Endwalker. I still enjoy Endwalker. I have been playing this game since launch. I will continue to sub and continue to play Endwalker. Is Endwalker pefect? Nope. It doesn't need to be perfect. FFXIV is still the best MMO on the market by FAR. I hope I didn't shatter to many bubbles. The video that this thread is supposed to be about actually went into great detail why so many systems were terrible in Heavensward. The man had MANY great points and I agree with him.

Takes like this make me wonder why some people join in the discourse of making the game better, If you're going to uncritically enjoy the game no matter what then this discussion is not for you.
If you want to join into the discourse that you obviously skipped 9 pages of then here's the TL : DR from people who criticize this video: Bad systems in Heavensward don't justify bland design choices in Endwalker.

[Absimiliard]

no matter what people are complaining about the state of the expansion yet it was far far worse than it was back then...

This reads like bait, but eh, what the heck. I'll bite.

I for one absolutely consider Heavensward and Stormblood to be stronger expansions. I found encounter and job design to be far preferable in those days. Yes, I say this in full knowledge of how horrendously overtuned the first tier of Alexander was. If anything, that further enhanced my enjoyment of HW.

[Kaurhz]

wesk is correct, no matter what people are complaining about the state of the expansion yet it was far far worse than it was back then...while i dont blame zepla for giving the bad actor's a voice...she seen this game on the surface level just like any of the msq andies who think shadowbringers was the mecca of good storytelling

I wouldn't go that far, to be honest...

HW did actually have a few decent systems, but they were locked behind, and/or required you to engage with several very, very poorly poorly designed subsystems, and/or very poorly created reward structures, e.g., in theory the Coven weapon wasn't that bad, but it was a layer of chance incorporated on 2 more layers of chance. There was some level of promise in these systems - Though these never were actually realized.

Same with the favor system, it was a good system, but it was introduced on other bad systems like a weekly-gated scrip system, and same with the gearing process for scrip gear itself, just to name another system.

I think it's accurate to say you could like it for selfish reasons, but whether or not those overall reasons would be healthy for the game itself is an entirely different matter. It's like some people who say every end-game recipe should be an expert recipe. You can like that, by all means, but it's not healthy for the game. That's the kind of expansion that HW was... You can actually apply this very same logic to a lot of the lesser flushed-out systems in EW though, to be honest. - Like, could you find them fun, or could they be aligned with your preferences? Absolutely... But that still doesn't necessarily make it healthy for the game itself, e.g., tome relics.

If I am honest, people can still make the case of EW being the worst expansion, however, people could also pretty easily alternatively make the case of HW being the absolute worst expansion as well if you were to look at them both for what they had at the time. Another point of his video was that people that parrot certain critiques or sentiments often haven't experienced it first-hand, nor could sufficiently elaborate enough on their own independent thoughts. Tangentially though, there are people doing the same thing now when it comes to looking on HW based on his own thoughts.

With criticisms like these it's important to make the distinction between personal tastes and what otherwise may be healthy for the game overall. Which does apply to both HW and EW.

[localareanetwork]

This in a nutshell really.

Take the first pull of Akadaemia Anyder, or Bardams, or right back to AV and compare those to anything we have in EW. It's not even close.

It's not even agro alone, the EW dungeons are designed with the utmost caution now. Nothing can be too threatening.

I personally never had any issues with w2w in any of those dungeons but I mainly played healer in roulettes so.

[Reap00]

Takes like this make me wonder why some people join in the discourse of making the game better, If you're going to uncritically enjoy the game no matter what then this discussion is not for you.
If you want to join into the discourse that you obviously skipped 9 pages of then here's the TL : DR from people who criticize this video: Bad systems in Heavensward don't justify bland design choices in Endwalker.

I still agree with him regardless of your opinion. You will have to live with that. I won't change my opinion for you. I will type whatever I wish on this feedback forum.

[Stormpeaks]

I still agree with him regardless of your opinion. You will have to live with that. I won't change my opinion for you. I will type whatever I wish on this feedback forum.

[Volgia]

I just can't keep up with their ability to rub 2 braincells together at the speed of light.