Quote Originally Posted by VictorSpoils View Post
This logic is kind of baffling after how big of a deal it was to lose Kaiten. Cure 1 still gets used whereas Kaeshi: Higanbana never does because it's purportedly always a damage loss, making it fundamentally worthless. There would be no downside to giving it a purpose.
But the thing is he's not wrong here. Hyoton has been in the game since the very begining when ninja was added because there needed to be a two-mudra skill where the second mudra was Jin. It was only niche usable in PvP back in the day when being able to bind other players was useful, but in any real content it was always a DPS loss to use Hyoton over Raiton. Similarly now if on monk under perfect balance, I do two opo opo form ability and one coerl ability, I get celestial revolution as my blitz, which is always a DPS loss over having used rising phoenix or elixir field.

Square had to program something in to occur for both these scenarios, but not every outcome needs to be always usable or a good skill to use. Some are just there because they have to be in order not to soft lock a job if those skills are attempted to be used. Tsubame Geshi had to have an outcome programmed for every possible use case if the trigger for making it available was first using iajutsu, and doesn't mean that programmed outcome needs to always be something good or viable, but just that something had to sit in the code to be executed when that trigger is met.