VIERA AND HROTHGAR COMPLAINT MEGATHREAD

[Halivel]

In other news I'm seeing some comments around that an examination of this patch's data by the Viera/Hrothgar hat modder seems to suggest there is evidence of work starting to be done to adapt headgear to Viera. The new hairstyle is flagged for hat hair from the get-go on them which has never happened before, and it's not a mistake because Hrothgar don't have the same flag. Obviously there's nothing to say this is coming in 7.0 because it seems like the work has just started, but it is something so I thought I would mention it.

If there's anything to come with 7.0 (which isn't very likely as they didn't add all the old haircuts yet), I'd expect it to be done in the same way we had with hairstyles - adapting a portion of gear in every patch rather than everything at once.

(Which personally I'd be fine with. The amount of gear IS massive).

[Yencat]

In other news I'm seeing some comments around that an examination of this patch's data by the Viera/Hrothgar hat modder seems to suggest there is evidence of work starting to be done to adapt headgear to Viera. The new hairstyle is flagged for hat hair from the get-go on them which has never happened before, and it's not a mistake because Hrothgar don't have the same flag. Obviously there's nothing to say this is coming in 7.0 because it seems like the work has just started, but it is something so I thought I would mention it.

That's good news but also slightly odd, no? If they're actually starting the work then why not Hrothgar also.

Unless they're waiting for female Hrothgar like they did with male Viera and hairstyles.

[Caro178]

If there's anything to come with 7.0 (which isn't very likely as they didn't add all the old haircuts yet), I'd expect it to be done in the same way we had with hairstyles - adapting a portion of gear in every patch rather than everything at once.

(Which personally I'd be fine with. The amount of gear IS massive).

There is a lot of time between now and Dawntrail. Evidence of work in this department being done at all does imply to me that they will be somewhere with it by the time 7.0 launches. Now, like you I expect it will be done in batches every major patch just like how they handled hairstyles in Endwalker, but I expect every "new" item will function starting from 7.0 onward while they work backwards to adapt a batch of older currently non-functioning items every patch. It likely won't be a flip of a switch where suddenly everything works, but they are going to future proof newly released items the same way they future proofed all new hairstyles for Viera and Hrothgar from 6.0 onward.

That's good news but also slightly odd, no? If they're actually starting the work then why not Hrothgar also.

They started adapting hairstyles to Viera before Hrothgar as well so I don't really think it is odd, just disappointing. I will hold out hope that both will get simultaneous updates but truthfully I'm not confident in this.

[Yencat]

They started adapting hairstyles to Viera before Hrothgar as well so I don't really think it is odd, just disappointing. I will hold out hope that both will get simultaneous updates but truthfully I'm not confident in this.

Yes that's what I mean they didn't start with Viera hairstyles until male Viera were done. I can sort of understand it if that is the case, but it's probably going to breed more resentment.

[Caro178]

Yes that's what I mean they didn't start with Viera hairstyles until male Viera were done. I can sort of understand it if that is the case, but it's probably going to breed more resentment.

Oh, it will absolutely breed more resentment. I guess if it's any consolation for Hroth players male Viera never got an update that female Viera didn't also receive at exactly the same time so it's highly unlikely that female Hrothgar will get updates that male Hrothgar don't, but the chances that Viera updates will continue to be a few patches ahead of Hrothgar updates (both genders) feels inevitable. I will continue to hope that this won't be the case until we know better, but I anticipate if this is in the works then JP fanfest will probably go something like "headgear for Viera and Hrothgar!" with a few picture examples of Viera and YoshiP mentioning that the same work is in development for Hrothgar for a later patch.

[Iscah]

That's good news but also slightly odd, no? If they're actually starting the work then why not Hrothgar also.

Hrothgar are still oddities hairstyle-wise – going from some discussion I read here when Hrothgar hairstyle-switching had just been implemented, they're still handled in the background as different faces/heads with integrated hairstyles, rather than the hairstyle as a separate thing added to the head later. That (I speculate) might mean that the thing that triggers the hairstyle to change when a hat is applied, may not have access to change the hair model as for other races because it's not actually a hairstyle at that programming level.

[Yencat]

Hrothgar are still oddities hairstyle-wise – going from some discussion I read here when Hrothgar hairstyle-switching had just been implemented, they're still handled in the background as different faces/heads with integrated hairstyles, rather than the hairstyle as a separate thing added to the head later. That (I speculate) might mean that the thing that triggers the hairstyle to change when a hat is applied, may not have access to change the hair model as for other races because it's not actually a hairstyle at that programming level.

Oh that's true, I actually forgot about that so I didn't consider that.

I know that at some point they stopped cutting those ear holes into the Viera hairstyles like they used to, so hopefully they're also working on a better long-term solution for Hrothgar in conjunction with female Hrothgar then.

[Caro178]

Hrothgar are still oddities hairstyle-wise – going from some discussion I read here when Hrothgar hairstyle-switching had just been implemented, they're still handled in the background as different faces/heads with integrated hairstyles, rather than the hairstyle as a separate thing added to the head later. That (I speculate) might mean that the thing that triggers the hairstyle to change when a hat is applied, may not have access to change the hair model as for other races because it's not actually a hairstyle at that programming level.

Good point. Another case where clearly extra work needs to be done on Hrothgar compared to Viera so we should expect them to continue staggering updates. They're probably making female Hrothgar without these problems the same way they made male Viera exempt from female Viera's limitations from the get-go, but we can probably expect simultaneous updates for both male and female Hrothgar regardless. Male Viera never pulled ahead of female Viera in that regard so it will probably be the same with this.

[Allegor]

Hrothgar are still oddities hairstyle-wise – going from some discussion I read here when Hrothgar hairstyle-switching had just been implemented, they're still handled in the background as different faces/heads with integrated hairstyles, rather than the hairstyle as a separate thing added to the head later. That (I speculate) might mean that the thing that triggers the hairstyle to change when a hat is applied, may not have access to change the hair model as for other races because it's not actually a hairstyle at that programming level.

I like to believe since (apparently) Hroths were not meant to have hairstyles, they had to improvise with tape and band aids after continuous negative feedback and the 6.1 ear fiasco, but will eventually work around it properly, if they aren't already while working on female Hroths

[VerdeLuck]

Just found out that the Variant reward gear doesn't work on Viera, we're back to the days when SE releases rewards not every player can use again.
Don't think they listened at all to this entire 2700+ post thread of feedback at all. Just wait for Dawntrail when Viera can use exactly 6 out of the 20+ job gears' headgear and 1 dungeon's gear has a usable hat.
Or, they decide to give Viera a bunch of ridiculous looking tiny hats to continue being lazy about not fixing the issues with the race. I'm so glad they did that with the fall guys hats and now they have a creative way to be lazy and avoid fixing anything that a mod can in a few hours.