Criterion savage rewards still suck

[Daeriion_Aeradiir]

Except that Ultimates are highly detailed fights designed to provide a memorable experience for all who attempt them.

Savage criterion is a lazily copied version of criterion with absolutely nothing unique to offer about its experience besides mobs that one shot you and restrictions that could just as easily be applied to the base criterion in the form of special achievements for a perfect run.

My point being, that they can try adding reward after reward to get people to do it but it won’t do shit for participation if the content remains lazy garbage that doesn’t spark a general interest from the community. Do we really expect to see FF streamers with massive viewerships for Criterion Savage prog like you see for Ultimates? PF filled with people trying to get their clears? Discord communities built to help clear people through?

As it is now, Hell no.

Having cleared both current savages, they've both been more memorable as a tank to me than any ultimate ever has been (except maybe UCOB Add phase way back in 2017 when it was first released), since the 'all in one go' combined with trash packs hitting like insane freight trains requiring high mitigation utilization, actually challenging tanks on moving adds & positioning them around (Both sets of Rokkon adds, managing and carefully pulling adds in 2nd Sil'dih pack) means you're actually challenged as a tank and not as a blue dps. My healer also says the healing has also been more involved and memorable in them than any ultimate ever has challenged him due to how spiky, frequent and in some cases, pseudo-random it can be based on kill times of each pack/boss. They may be 1:1 mechanic copies of each other, but doing the savages is an actual intense, fun experience, even funner than the normal Criterion.

My heart was beating faster during the last 30% ish of the 3rd boss of Rokkon savage than it ever did during DSR P7 or TOP P6.

But that's just my own opinion.

Glamour is indeed the true endgame of FF14 - and if the glamour rewards are good enough, people will go through anything to get it, no matter how much they may suffer or how bad they perceive it to be. *Cough* Pretty much every grindy as ever living heck relic step this game has ever seen *cough*. There's technically even content that's far more inaccessible than Savages are and has even less rewards on a theoretical level (DRS, effectively only the Cerberus as the main "reward" point that is one and done) that still sees plenty of active play. Like I said, only time will tell - and I think the vanity rewards for Savage will give it a nice boost in participation.

[Caro178]

Having cleared both current savages, they've both been more memorable as a tank to me than any ultimate ever has been (except maybe UCOB Add phase way back in 2017 when it was first released), since the 'all in one go' combined with trash packs hitting like insane freight trains requiring high mitigation utilization, actually challenging tanks on moving adds & positioning them around (Both sets of Rokkon adds, managing and carefully pulling adds in 2nd Sil'dih pack) means you're actually challenged as a tank and not as a blue dps. My healer also says the healing has also been more involved and memorable in them than any ultimate ever has challenged him due to how spiky, frequent and in some cases, pseudo-random it can be based on kill times of each pack/boss. They may be 1:1 mechanic copies of each other, but actually doing them is an actual intense, fun experience, even funner than the normal Criterion.

My heart was beating faster during the last 30% ish of the 3rd boss of Rokkon savage than it ever did during DSR P7 or TOP P6.

But that's just my own opinion.

Glamour is indeed the true endgame of FF14 - and if the glamour rewards are good enough, people will go through anything to get it, no matter how much they may suffer or how bad they perceive it to be. *Cough* Pretty much every grindy as ever living heck relic step this game has ever seen *cough*. There's technically even content that's far more inaccessible than Savages are and has even less rewards on a theoretical level (DRS, effectively only the Cerberus as the main "reward" point that is one and done) that still sees plenty of active play. Like I said, only time will tell - and I think the vanity rewards for Savage will give it a nice boost in participation.

Right? All I see in this thread is dooming from people who will never even lay one finger on this content. Is this reward perfectly timed? No, but imagine getting this week 4 after a new savage tier as a secondary method of obtaining a bis weapon for an alt job using content that isn't the same raids over and over. It's a step in the right direction and it's a cosmetic for people to show off which is really what the Variant/Savage have been lacking. Also, the Criterions are really fun? I admit I am not really the biggest fan of how they handled the savage iterations just being increased damage output and without rez, but I did Another Sildihn and some of Another Rokkon and they were both a blast. The problem is not that this content is bad, it's that the game is currently lacking more mid-level difficulty gameplay content for casual endgame players. As hard content the Criterions are very enjoyable even if the rewards have been severely lacking until now. I actually do believe this will boost participation a bit which should be the end goal.

[sindriiisgaming]

Right? All I see in this thread is dooming from people who will never even lay one finger on this content. Is this reward perfectly timed? No, but imagine getting this week 4 after a new savage tier as a secondary method of obtaining a bis weapon for an alt job using content that isn't the same raids over and over. It's a step in the right direction and it's a cosmetic for people to show off which is really what the Variant/Savage have been lacking. Also, the Criterions are really fun? I admit I am not really the biggest fan of how they handled the savage iterations just being increased damage output and without rez, but I did Another Sildihn and some of Another Rokkon and they were both a blast. The problem is not that this content is bad, it's that the game is currently lacking more mid-level difficulty gameplay content for casual endgame players. As hard content the Criterions are very enjoyable even if the rewards have been severely lacking until now. I actually do believe this will boost participation a bit which should be the end goal.

you need BIS to even clear savage and this gear is made completly irrelivant by completing savage or getting the relic OR FARMING ZEROMUS! all of which was designed to make gearing alt jobs easier this is a joke by the devs, it cannot be serious!? an umbrella AN UMBRELLA FOR BLU MAGE HAHAHHAA no.

[Caro178]

you need BIS to even clear savage and this gear is made completly irrelivant by completing savage or getting the relic OR FARMING ZEROMUS! all of which was designed to make gearing alt jobs easier this is a joke by the devs, it cannot be serious!? an umbrella AN UMBRELLA FOR BLU MAGE HAHAHHAA no.

Some people play more than one job. There has been a mass of requests for making acquiring bis gear for alt jobs (as in: not your prog savage or ultimate main) more accessible. That was the entire purpose of the changes to loot drops in Anabaseios and that's exactly what this will help with in future criterions, particularly the ones that come out 4-ish weeks after a savage tier (like Mount Rokkon did after 6.4).

[sindriiisgaming]

Some people play more than one job. There has been a mass of requests for making acquiring bis gear for alt jobs (as in: not your prog savage or ultimate main) more accessible. That was the entire purpose of the changes to loot drops in Anabaseios and that's exactly what this will help with in future criterions, particularly the ones that come out 4-ish weeks after a savage tier (like Mount Rokkon did after 6.4).

people requested gear upgrades all across the board. this aint it chief

[Caro178]

people requested gear upgrades all across the board. this aint it chief

And they were wrong. Tome augments from Criterion savage 5 months after a raid tier and 1 month after the alliance raid already made them accessible for casual players would be the real slap in the face. At least this is a cosmetic that I am certain some people will enjoy enough to farm out, and it's unique to this content. Again, I am NOT saying this is the perfect solution, but people pretending they had it all figured out by exclaiming tome augments should be slapped onto the extremely difficulty savage iteration had the complete wrong idea.

I wanted Variant to be used as relic grind content, I would have wanted the savage iterations to be something more than what we have. I have criticisms of my own, but saying friggan twine and shines should have replaced this cosmetic is bonkers.

[xbahax92]

Right? All I see in this thread is dooming from people who will never even lay one finger on this content. Is this reward perfectly timed? No, but imagine getting this week 4 after a new savage tier as a secondary method of obtaining a bis weapon for an alt job using content that isn't the same raids over and over. It's a step in the right direction and it's a cosmetic for people to show off which is really what the Variant/Savage have been lacking. Also, the Criterions are really fun? I admit I am not really the biggest fan of how they handled the savage iterations just being increased damage output and without rez, but I did Another Sildihn and some of Another Rokkon and they were both a blast. The problem is not that this content is bad, it's that the game is currently lacking more mid-level difficulty gameplay content for casual endgame players. As hard content the Criterions are very enjoyable even if the rewards have been severely lacking until now. I actually do believe this will boost participation a bit which should be the end goal.

Agree, this is content not aimed for the casual crowd, but rather for people that like savage raiding in general. So once again, feedback fell on deaf ears. I personally would appreciate if the 3rd stage was hardest difficulty and criterion itself for the mid-core audience. Apparently that's to much to ask for. And no, a dps check and enrage timer does not define difficulty. It's lazy method to punish the player for underperforming, meaning every casual player can get the f out.

[TomsYoungerBro]

Right? All I see in this thread is dooming from people who will never even lay one finger on this content. Is this reward perfectly timed? No, but imagine getting this week 4 after a new savage tier as a secondary method of obtaining a bis weapon for an alt job using content that isn't the same raids over and over. It's a step in the right direction and it's a cosmetic for people to show off which is really what the Variant/Savage have been lacking.

Then why is a level 80 blu weapon locked behind this content?

[Caro178]

Then why is a level 80 blu weapon locked behind this content?

It isn't. The Gentlemage's Umbrella was released with the same patch as level 80 BLU. It's a reward from BLU achievements. You already need to own it in order to obtain this glowy version which is exactly the same as every other weapon from the savage iteration.

[TomsYoungerBro]

It isn't. The Gentlemage's Umbrella was released with the same patch as level 80 BLU. It's a reward from BLU achievements. You already need to own it in order to obtain this glowy version which is exactly the same as every other weapon from the savage iteration.

Right, but you can't do this content as a level 80 blu mage. So again, why is it locked behind savage criterion?