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    Connor Whelan
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    Frankly as a Scholar (on console/controller) I can’t think of any expansion where I literally had too many skills. Personally I find it really strange that people still complain about button bloat currently; I can’t think of any job during any expansion where I was like ‘woah I have too many abilities and can’t put them all on the hotbar at once!’.
    And that’s including binding fairy abilities and commands to the normal hotbars because I found using the pet hotbar really clunky, especially back when manual Embrace existed. Well, mashing the button and praying she’d listen to you existed, since apparently the fairy knew better who needs healed first lol

    Truthfully the idea of culling abilities to give us even more space than what we have now terrifies me. Everything will go until every job is just the same abilities with different visual effects (which isn’t far from what we have now really…), because I mean technically every button that’s not high potency direct damage is ‘bloat’ relative to absolute optimisation.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Connor View Post
    Frankly as a Scholar (on console/controller) I can’t think of any expansion where I literally had too many skills. Personally I find it really strange that people still complain about button bloat currently; I can’t think of any job during any expansion where I was like ‘woah I have too many abilities and can’t put them all on the hotbar at once!’.
    And that’s including binding fairy abilities and commands to the normal hotbars because I found using the pet hotbar really clunky, especially back when manual Embrace existed. Well, mashing the button and praying she’d listen to you existed, since apparently the fairy knew better who needs healed first lol

    Truthfully the idea of culling abilities to give us even more space than what we have now terrifies me. Everything will go until every job is just the same abilities with different visual effects (which isn’t far from what we have now really…), because I mean technically every button that’s not high potency direct damage is ‘bloat’ relative to absolute optimisation.
    The space is for unique buttons to take the space, it's not culling for no reason. It's culling because we have too many options that answer the same thing when we don't even answer that problem often. Why would you cull buttons and not provide something to take its place...that's a big yikes from me. lel Although I certainly can see Square totally doing that.
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    Last edited by Katish; 10-27-2023 at 11:49 PM.

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    J'thaldi Rhid
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    Quote Originally Posted by Katish View Post
    The space is for unique buttons to take the space, it's not culling for no reason. It's culling because we have too many options that answer the same thing when we don't even answer that problem often. Why would you cull buttons and not provide something to take its place...that's a big yikes from me. lel Although I certainly can see Square totally doing that.
    It's a reasonable fear to have, SE has a track record of culling things without anything to replace it. SAM had Kaiten culled, replaced with nothing. ShB launch SCH had Energy Drain culled, replaced with nothing. BRD had song buffs culled when DNC was released, replaced with nothing, etc etc.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Aravell View Post
    It's a reasonable fear to have, SE has a track record of culling things without anything to replace it. SAM had Kaiten culled, replaced with nothing. ShB launch SCH had Energy Drain culled, replaced with nothing. BRD had song buffs culled when DNC was released, replaced with nothing, etc etc.
    Aye, those are grievances of their job design...we need a new team lel.


    Can’t press the wrong button if there’s only 1 button *guy pointing at head meme*
    Certainly can, but I am not saying to cull them all, if you can't press one of three buttons that do the same thing, I think at that point it's a you thing (not you directly, sorry thought I needed to clarify). xD [Which is really one of six when playing with another healer]
    I am also all for letting people be bad...even if they don't know their tools at lvl 90. (Eventually they will get better, they will learn, unless they are intentionally throwing for content ... then that's a whole different can of worms.)
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    Last edited by Katish; 10-28-2023 at 12:20 AM.