Mentor reform megathread

[sindriiisgaming]

I strongly disagree with "Completion of current ex and all subsiquent ex's required"
Beeing able to clear EX,Savage,Ultimate does not prove you're good mentor or cannot be a mentor if not.

Mentoring is about helping new players and They're doing MSQ,Normal content!

What this game need is a global chat(s), so all who enters NN just to chat can go there -
no longer has to fill up the NN!

completing ex's trails is already required. completing currrent ex trails would mean mentors would need to activley maintain there crown once per patch, and also could help players who wanted to get into those es's too

[Zeastria]

completing ex's trails is already required. completing currrent ex trails would mean mentors would need to activley maintain there crown once per patch, and also could help players who wanted to get into those es's too

Completing Exs is not required - its ONLY to unlock mentor roulette! (which is optional).

[sindriiisgaming]

Completing Exs is not required - its ONLY to unlock mentor roulette! (which is optional).

reforming mentor also comes with reforming the roulete lol. NN is 1 part of the massive issue with the mentor system that is griefing players all the way down the ladder right down to the god aweful 2k roulete grind. you cant reform the chat half and not the duty based half

[Zeastria]

reforming mentor also comes with reforming the roulete lol. NN is 1 part of the massive issue with the mentor system that is griefing players all the way down the ladder right down to the god aweful 2k roulete grind. you cant reform the chat half and not the duty based half

The issue is there is no Global chat in this game!;
NN is kinda is like an global chat if you think about it..
Many become mentors just to keep in touch w friends they made there and to have a "global chat".
(its one of the core issues with the current NN!, along with the rewards)


Also there should have been no title,mount,achi tied to it,
Because mentoring should NOT be about rewards..
It should be something you do out of selflessness!

[Remish]

I thought mentors getting rewards was considered a bad thing, why would we double down and attract further bad actors? And the Mentor system was never meant to be for people who memorized all content, just for people who've been playing a long while to answer questions like a built-in google search considering the mundanity of the topics. This feels like it should be a separate system or someone has attached way too much significance to the Mentor system that it has never had nor was meant to.

Even charity workers get rewarded for their time.

Crown removed and changed with medal or shield above players head

Doesn't matter if it's a Crown, a Medal, a shield, a watering can, or even a pile of S#$%. People will always use the icon provided as a symbol status if it makes them stand out in the crowd. It's the equivalent of a title but in symbol format.

[Jojoya]

Remove the commendation requirement. (it serves no purpose considering players rarely give a commendation "because this player would make a good mentor")

Remove the Crown. There does not need to be a replacement icon. (removes those who want a visible sign of special snowflake status)

Remove the mount for completing Mentor roulettes and give it a different requirement to earn. (removes the "completionists" only interested in getting the mount for their collection)

Replace collectables with Expert crafts on Trade Mentor requirements. (removes those who do the now too easy collectable farm to retain access to a general chat)

Increase linkshell limits - not just the member limit but also the number of linkshells a player can be in. (gives players more options to form their own general chats with friends made in NN or elsewhere without forcing players to give up other linkshells they have for subcommunities like hunts, housing, RP, etc.)

Even charity workers get rewarded for their time.

Employees do. Volunteers generally don't. I've donated hundreds of hours of time over the years to various organization without any compensation other than knowing I helped to make a difference for others in need.

Mentors will still get their tomestone rewards for completing content, usually with first time bonuses as well.

[Kes13a]

removing the mount should be the biggest change and would likely clean it up a fair bit.

lets face it, I am sure that many who became mentors, did not do so out of the goodness of their heart or a desire to help, they did it for the mount. remove the mount and you remove the ones who want a unique mount that requires they do x number of things with people they have zero interest in helping or "mentoring" you also remove the mount completionists. figure that alone would go a long way to clean up mentoring

[Toutatis]

Completion of current ex and all subsiquent ex's required

I don’t see how that is relevant. Ex outside ARR and a few HW never pop in roulette anyway. Most questions from sprouts are really basic. The current cut at previous expansion is more than sufficient.

Crown removed and changed with medal or shield above players head

A medal is just as ostentatious as a crown. I prefer something smaller and less shiny. I tend to keep the crown hidden outside of roulette (no choice but given the nature of the roulette it makes sense). I help a lot with a variety of things just because I like it.

Mentor roulete only pairs you with a player new to that instance

Mentor roulette is primarily a filling roulette that encompasses all the categories of roulette. It dispatches mentors where someone is most needed and that’s fine as some duties can be less popular than others.

Mentor roulete now shows job in need and instances recruiting
Ability to que for mentor on every role and change depending on whats needed when the duty pops (ex i que up, something pops and says "dps needed" "tank needed" ect-)

The possibility to queue for more than one role would be nice. However, showing which instance is recruiting would be problematic as it’s obvious some mentors would pick and chose, defeating the purpose of the roulette.

completion of current NORMAL raid required, All Aliance raids + Msq (6.5 at time of post)

Previous expansion is fine atm to access roulette but previous patch could work too as this is content that keeps popping up. People shouldn’t be obligated to play every duty the day or week something comes out. Let mentors have a life and enjoy their story too!

Increased rewards to incentivise mentors to do roulette even after 2k

I queue because I want to and chime in when people have questions or struggle with something. Couldn’t care less about the mount. Maybe they should even remove it because several mentors only care about that and can be quite impatient. It’s the type of thing that makes some mentors leave duties if they think it can take too long vs reward.

I even ended up in an instance with a shameless co-heal mentor who was botting in Aglaia the other day: they were only self healing and doing their basic attack, staying and dying in stupid (not even attempting to move out except when the party would move really far and even then it was very late and erratic), waiting to get ported to next fight and not responding to chat. I guess they were chain queuing mentor roulette for their mount.

Crafting and battle mentor chats being seperate (honestly this a gripe more than a demand) honestly just massive NN reform in general

NN has a lot of issues starting with moderation but this isn’t one. Having one chat only makes sense and many mentors have dual status. Very often sprouts will ask about general things like glamours, how to find something, etc. that don’t fall in either category.

[NekoMataMata]

Excellent suggestions. I’d also add better policing of the Novice Network chat channel. I’ve repeatedly reported a person actively thrashing the game in NN, telling sprouts to uninstall the game immediately and even sexualising underage lore NPCs in NN. Nothing was ever done about this person.

I've seen people have nsfw RPs in the NN before. I have absolutely no hope that they'll ever do anything.

[Aravell]

Personally, I'd like to see the mentor system be reformed into a 1-to-1 system:

- Remove NN and add a Novice Board in all 3 starter cities. Novice Boards will sort registered mentors by selected job and chosen language settings, sprouts/returners can select a mentor and apply to be their student, mentors can then use the board to accept or reject the request. Sprouts can also use the board to ask general questions and any registered mentor can go up to a board to post an answer, then the person who asked the question will have the option to pin the best answer to their question.

- Both mentors and sprouts will be able to end the relationship at any time. If the sprout ends it, they will be prompted to rate the mentor, these ratings can be seen when accessing the mentor's page on the board. If the mentor ends it, they will not be able to accept a new sprout for 24hrs.

- Once in the mentor/sprout relationship, both parties will gain a direct chat channel to each other, this direct channel should function like a tell and bypass the dungeon restriction that blocks tells.

I think a 1-to-1 mentor/sprout relation would be less harmful to the sprout because they won't get conflicting information, the mentor would also always see the question and be able to answer it because there won't be 10-20 people just chatting casually and cause mentors to miss questions.