Viper would of been better if it had a different name

[Kacho_Nacho]

There's a part of me that's wondering if Viper is going to be the name of the individual who gives us the job crystal, or the organization that individual belongs to, and the devs are just using the name as a placeholder because they are still trying to come up with a good name for the job. I mean, none of the other jobs are named after animals, right?

[ForsakenRoe]

I mean, none of the other jobs are named after animals, right?

Dragoon is named Dragon Knight in some languages (Chevalier Dragon/Ryuukishi (roughly romanized))

Admittedly, dragons don't exactly exist, but yeh

Also, the name is probably like, the first thing that's banged out in the design meetings. That, and/or the weapon, interchangeably. I'd assume 'scythe user' was settled on before the name 'Reaper'. Either way, announcing a new job and not having the name finalized would be absolutely awful in terms of how many Kotaku articles it'd spawn

[Calysto]

Not much opinion on the name...

It just seems a waste to have the quest started in Uldah instead of Gridania because the GC there is Twin Adder and that would fit more for job literally that snake name in another language that wield twin blades...

[Iscah]

idk, I'm going through the job list in my head and most of them tell you something about the job just in the name

Paladin: holy protector
Warrior: eh..a stretch
Dragoon: Dragon fighter, a FF staple
Monk: melee fighter
etc

Viper: twinblade specialist..?

I don't know, I can't help but feeling we're missing the core identity of the job that SE is hiding for now.

So, what does a gunbreaker do? What kind of weapon does a warrior use? Does a dark knight ride a dark horse?

As I've said before, "viper" conjures up an idea of a quick-striking blade user, much more readily than those other names suggest anything specific in terms of fighting style or weapon.

... the devs are just using the name as a placeholder because they are still trying to come up with a good name for the job. I mean, none of the other jobs are named after animals, right?

This just feels like scraping for any reason to discredit the name. There is no reason why one discipline can't be named after an animal, nor any reason why others would also need to share the pattern before one is allowed to do so.

[Boblawblah]

So, what does a gunbreaker do? What kind of weapon does a warrior use? Does a dark knight ride a dark horse?

As I've said before, "viper" conjures up an idea of a quick-striking blade user, much more readily than those other names suggest anything specific in terms of fighting style or weapon.




This just feels like scraping for any reason to discredit the name. There is no reason why one discipline can't be named after an animal, nor any reason why others would also need to share the pattern before one is allowed to do so.

Really? GUNbreaker? Who happens to use a GUNblade, a well known Final Fantasy weapon? You're reaching. The warrior as I mentioned was a stretch, but good call trying to call me out on that example when I already mentioned that. And DARK Knight, well, the entire motif/story is about DARKness and they're a tank/protector, so knight fits there as well.

Quick strikes? That's the identity of the Viper? Really? If that's all there is to the name, then yea, I'm going to say it's a bad name. If they add in a snake motif and/or poison, sure, but quick striking melee user? No, that could be really any melee class.

[Iscah]

Really? GUNbreaker? Who happens to use a GUNblade, a well known Final Fantasy weapon? You're reaching. The warrior as I mentioned was a stretch, but good call trying to call me out on that example when I already mentioned that.

Yes, really. What does a gunbreaker do? "Breaks guns"? What immediate connection does that have to a gunblade, assuming you know what a gunblade even is?

We're used to it now as a term, and had it presented to us when we were already anticipating to hear what a gunblade user would be called. But to an outsider, it's opaque and suggests nothing. If you want to play concept association as loose as "two terms with the word gun in them" – neither of them being real words outside of a Final Fantqsy context – then prettymuch anything goes.

And yes, I am calling you out on sweeping aside the example that disproves your argument as simply "a stretch". What about the term "warrior" (or marauder before it) should unquestionably call "heavyweight axe-wielder" to mind over any other kind of warrior?

[Boblawblah]

Yes, really. What does a gunbreaker do? "Breaks guns"? What immediate connection does that have to a gunblade, assuming you know what a gunblade even is?

We're used to it now as a term, and had it presented to us when we were already anticipating to hear what a gunblade user would be called. But to an outsider, it's opaque and suggests nothing. If you want to play concept association as loose as "two terms with the word gun in them" – neither of them being real words outside of a Final Fantqsy context – then prettymuch anything goes.

And yes, I am calling you out on sweeping aside the example that disproves your argument as simply "a stretch". What about the term "warrior" (or marauder before it) should unquestionably call "heavyweight axe-wielder" to mind over any other kind of warrior?

Here, let's make this very clear since you seem to be missing it: I think Warrior is a bad name for a job. The only reason it works and is easily identifiable is it's history in the Final Fantasy series, which is why it works. Viper doesn't have that luxury (and YES, that does matter).

Okay, now that we've hopefully passed that part, if they go with Viper, and choose to have nothing to do with poison/dots and is just the name of the organization of fighters without any more snake context, then yes, I'll stick with my assertion that it's a bad name. I'm still not convinced that there won't be some poison element involved, but I could be wrong.

[Iscah]

Here, let's make this very clear since you seem to be missing it: I think Warrior is a bad name for a job.

Yes, I do seem to have missed any previous indication that you thought warrior is a bad name. Perhaps you could have helped by actually mentioning that part.

[CKNovel]

Viper is named Viper because of its striking speed similar to the animal, long swords referencing its deadly teeth, its behavior of ambushing prey and attacking from dead angles and its lethality.
Poison is a possibility but not a garantee. We have enough to be satisfied with all the Viper references.

Is Captain Falcon able to fly?
Is Batman able to use echolocation?
Is Flash able to produce a Flash?
Is Solid Snake able to bite and poison its ennemies?

If those characters have no problem being named after animal or natural events, why would it be a problem for Viper?

[Boblawblah]

Is Batman able to use echolocation?

You know, I've never once thought to myself "why is Batman called Batman?". Not sure why that is though, since he can't in fact use echolocation. He obviously has nothing to do with "bats" or "man".