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    Quote Originally Posted by Renathras View Post
    WAR = WHM
    SCH = PLD
    AST = DRK
    SGE = GNB
    I'm not on about whatever logic you've assigned to why each pairing has to be the way it is, that's subjective stuff. What is objective, though, is that WAR is a tank listed on the left of the table, and then all the other tanks are on the right, I asked why and you went off on a completely unrelated tangent
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    Quote Originally Posted by ForsakenRoe View Post
    I'm not on about whatever logic you've assigned to why each pairing has to be the way it is, that's subjective stuff. What is objective, though, is that WAR is a tank listed on the left of the table, and then all the other tanks are on the right, I asked why and you went off on a completely unrelated tangent
    Oh, lol

    English language.

    I thought you meant "ordered" as in "when they released" (in terms of the game's expansions). WHM/WAR/PLD were 1.X, SCH 2.0, DRK/AST 3.0, and GNB/SGE 5.0/6.0. I thought that was the order you were referring to.

    I'll edit the OP to fix that for the OCD inclined (I'm one, so I understand - there was no reason, it was probably just my dyslexia acting up)

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    Anyway, I'm still waiting for at least one person to address the OP and to participate in the topic of the thread itself.

    People keep saying healers should have DPS kits on par with Tanks, which implies the Tanks as they currently stand are acceptable enough.

    So I'm asking what that would look like.

    If WHM had a 1-2-3 core rotation, a self-buff on a -4, a 1-2 AOE rotation, etc, would that be sufficient? I might be able to just outright do that...

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    WHM as WAR:

    All spells listed below are instant casts (WAR's are)

    Aero I, II, III,... - Water I, II, III,... - Stone I, II, III,...
    Each spell has a given potency, and each boosts the potency of the next one in a proper chain. For example, Aero would have a "Empowered Water" effect. Water would have an Additional Effect of Empowered Water doing additional damage, generating 10 of a resource, and granting "Empowered Earth", which would likewise boost the Stone spell and have it generate 20 of the resource.

    Banish I, II, III,...
    The -4, can consume Empowered Earth to instead generate a 30 sec, stacking to 60 sec, damage buff for the WHM increasing damage (and healing?) dealt.

    Glare I, II, III,... - Dia I, II, III,...
    Same thing, AOE.

    Holy I, II, III,...
    Holy Cleave. Requires 50 units of the resource generated by the other combos. Give it a 25y range and make it single target.

    Thin Air
    Now generates 50 units of the resource, has two charges and a 40 sec CD.

    Fluid Aura/Assize:
    Single target and AOE versions of the same thing like Upheval/Orogeny. (Personally, I think this is stupid and I think it's stupid that WAR does this, too. Upheval should just upgrade to Orogeny and make it like Expacion.)

    Presence of Mind
    Now generates one Blood Lily allowing the casting of Afflatus Misery. The next 3x Holy will be critical direct hits and consume no resource to cast.

    BETTER Fluid Aura:
    20 sec CD, stacks to 3. This would be the Onslaught equivalent.

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    That would be what WHM would look like if it was given WAR's damage suite.

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    EDIT:

    Glare having a cast where the white things just spread out over an area would be kind of amusing, honestly, and Dia's animation just being super-sized to have a 10y radius would make the visual effect work.

    Alternatively, Banish could be the -2 AOE and Dia the -4 single target. Either way is fine.

    You know what? I'm fine with this. It would require pruning some heals to keep to around the 29 ability mark (32 total when including Sprint, LB, Pot), but I don't mind playing WAR, so this would be fine.
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    Last edited by Renathras; 10-24-2023 at 09:29 AM. Reason: Marked with EDIT