New Job: Viper

[Alexandre_Noireau]

This i did not expect at all.
Another Dual Wielding class was totally out for me since Ninja.


But then dual-hands and then double-edge? I love both things on their own: Bladedancers in Lineage 2, The twinblades in Dark Souls 2/3, and lastly Zidane is one of my favorites as FFIX protagonist goes and he does equipo two-swords or twinblades. I even role my PLD with invisible shield so he can looks like "fending swordsman" more than a knight.

This is my first time since launch that im actually interested in coming Job, hyped even some would say.
Im totally leveling this and considering it as my future main depending on how i get it to run on the controller, but from the looks of it, this is it for me best job ever.

[Shurrikhan]

This is my biggest gripe as well, swords on the back isn't cool and even less practical.
Swords on the waist is much better and fits with PLD/NIN.

There are cases where a back-slung scabbard is the more practical just to keep out of your way. You see this more often in people who have to deal often with considerable slopes or just using far longer weapons in general, especially if wearing a backpack already (which then reduces the variation in its resting angle as you have to bend during climbs or descents).

But, you don't take a scabbard meant to release its sword through a constrained pull and place it somewhere that's impossible to do with any but the shortest weapons. That leaves you with two options.

The cheaper and far, far, far more common is to just also carry a shorter, less cumbersome weapon on one's hip to use for actual emergencies, and then sling the back-worn weapon off, unsheathe it, and toss the scabbard aside to pick up again after their fight. Even caught off guard, especially if you had anyone to take some pressure off you, you could usually thumb the strap on your back-slung scabbard to get it widened or even fully released while still using your sidesword.

The other is a scabbard actually designed to be used from the back. That, however, is a whole different beast, requiring that the blade can be released through the side of the scabbard, usually through a pressure release (pull out slightly, pull sword against the inside edge of the top of the scabbard to pull on a bit that releases the catch from the other side of the scabbard, etc.) or something similar.

[TheMightyMollusk]

And scabbards don't matter when everyone but samurai has their weapons just sorta float near their bodies anyway.

[XenociderOmega]

The name reminds me of maplestory.
In KR version the pirate class is called Viper and NA verison its called Corsair.

[MonsutaMan]

Largely does not equal all and there are still XI players who want to see their favorite jobs return. Call it wishful thinking.

A lot of us still chill in XI or just quit, moved on from XI. One of the reasons many (Not all) cling onto XI, is due to all the weird a$$ $hit in XIV lol. We know XIV is a far cry from XI.....and we know all the BS XIV players deal with in XIV in terms of current quality. Like many XI players, I will do the XIV story, then go back to XI or play Sonic Superstars or some $hit.

Viper does not shock me at all...it is weird, nobody asked for it, and many wanted something other than what Yoshi implements....sounds like the XIV I knew since 2013......

[Renathras]

probably the only thing that annoys me how in game the swords are on your back but in the cinematic its on your sides

I am not a Dev.

Do NOT take this as a promise.

But have a look at SGE. While they all sheathe on your back, there are THREE forms of SGE weapon sheathing. The four points on an X pattern (the first stage Mander Relics did this one), the "wings" four upright across your back (the current/second stage Mander does this one, as did HydEx's and the Bluespirit Wings), and then a 4 stacked slashes (as in / just leaning near horizontal) from top to bottom.

...so just a THOUGHT, but it might be possible that SOME of theirs sheathe one way and some sheath the other. So the some weapons might do the cross X over the back while some others do a hip sheathe.

Again, do NOT take this as any sort of promise, but I was kind of surprised with SGE how diverse the different weapons are in their sheathing, since it's the only Job to date that does this...but maybe there will be more.

(Well, if we don't include WHM/BLM ARR 1-handed weapons sheathing like GLD/PLD sword and shields do, anyway.) But it COULD be something they're considering going forward. At the very least, with SGE, we've seen alternate sheathing patterns can exist on a given Job. It could even be part of the graphics update and character model work they're doing and SGE was just the testbed.

different weapons might sheathe differently, like sage

Ah, someone beat me to it. But yeah, point stands.

idk, everything about it screams "build up gauge with swords, then switch to the big hits with the single two-handed weapon. repeat". Unless they do something really unique and add an interesting mechanic like BLM has. Not sure what they would look like on a melee dps though.

I gave my own example, but the short version would be dual wield attacks like Umbral Ice to build resources, combined double-blade big slow attacks like Astral Fire to lay out the hurt. I don't know why a Melee couldn't do that just as BLM does. Have your "Umbral Ice" phase use the combo attacks to build gauge instead of MP, but it's otherwise the same mechanic. The combined blade attacks could have a longer GCD and maybe more strict positionals to reflect BLM's fire casts being slower and longer, but in terms of combat mechanics, a Melee can do that as well as a BLM can (and Ranged, Tank, or even Healer, honestly). And if it works for BLM, it should work for anyone else.

Not what I was getting at but go off I guess if it makes you feel better

Also, I hope for your sake you're not thinking that it's named Dragoon because Dragons......

Dragoon generally translates to "Dragon Knight". So...it actually does, in fact, have something to do with Dragons. The general lore is that their fighting style was to mimic dragons, with FFXIV's spin being specifically to do this to better harm them. But either way you slice it, the name Dragoon was, in fact, named because Dragons. So CKNovel is right on the money with that one.

Hopefully something I won't hate when I see it on a female character. I swear male characters get all the better melee weapon idle poses...

Please let me get that WAR idle stance

Female DRK stances is better, imo (sword stabbed into the ground instead of the Cloud across the shoulder stance), and I think the female GNB stance is OFTEN better (the male one with feet together and sword kind of hanging at the side just looks off to me somehow). Both genders have good PLD stances too, I think. Honestly, I'd like it if they let us cycle between all 3 of combat, male, and female idles.

[XgungraveX]

Ngl I was disappointed that the new job wasn't Corsair, but I will give viper a go.

[MsQi]

Does he come to vipe my vindows?

[Duskane]

different weapons might sheathe differently, like sage

while that is a possibility they should probably match what was shown since its the same weapon

[SeverianLyonesse]

while that is a possibility they should probably match what was shown since its the same weapon

It won't necessarily be the same weapon, though.

It is possible there will be different sword types of different shapes/lengths, that are sheathed respectively at the waist or across the back.

Just look at the difference between Sage's "milpreves" (cross pattern), "wings" (vertically flared), and "pendulums" (diagonally lined up).

I could see the job putting more "saber" type blades at the hips, with more "broadsword" type blades across the back. But honestly there are a lot of directions they could go. I'm more inclined to believe that at this point, given that I have seen at least one example of swords crossed over the back, and I think it would be really weird for them not to have settled on a single sheathing position by now, especially one that contradicts the main trailer.

Plus I think Sage and Reaper were viewed as successed when it comes to "modularity", i.e. having several different ways for players to express themselves with the same weapon. So I would be surprised if SE didn't at least explore the option of having both sheathing options, because of the two I absolutely believe cross-over-back is going to sell buckets to a lot of casuals.