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  1. #41
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    Quote Originally Posted by Arkdra View Post
    In short, your ideas are bad and you should feel bad,
    I may not entirely agree with the OP but they have no reason to feel bad.

    You, on the other hand, should. There's no reason to be insulting.

    Quote Originally Posted by Thurmnmurmn View Post
    Pretty sure the only reason people are complaining about this being posted on Reddit too is that they have to see an opinion they don't agree with more than once.
    Life is so hard, I know.
    I have to wonder why they care it's been posted on subreddit as well.

    The OP is trying to leave their feedback in places where it might get seen and passed onto the development team.

    Not everyone here in the forums follows the subreddit. Not everyone who follows the subreddit comes to the forums.

    We have no clue where the developers get feedback from NA other than occasionally MrHappy videos because they've never referenced any other specific NA sources as far as I know.

    Quote Originally Posted by Turtledeluxe View Post
    Not to sound pointed but, what a load of bullshit. It is easy for the dev team to blame players bc it is ambiguous ans all catching. Intermediate players are asking for the two minute meta? They have to be joking. The two minute meta is feedback directly from people who play the very hardest content in the game. All it does for intermediate content is make it too easy because you can do whatever the hell you want and 60% of your dps will likely get boosted.

    In regards to going outside and playing another game, last time I checked going outside doesn't make armor design less lazy. It doesn't make dungeons less copy-paste. It doesn't make the open world more creative or fun. Going outside just means the game stays safe.

    The dungeon flow for example is so half assed I don't even see the point of trash mobs. Just make everything a boss gauntlet with hallways that have memoirs scattered in them.

    And with the story going in a low stakes, ez breezy island mode with tacos and dbz tournaments, the same old cast, the story is set to go into autopilot mode as well.
    I wouldn't be so sure about who was demanding the 2 minute meta, or even what was meant by "intermediate players".

    Seems to me the players most interested in the 2 minute meta would be those obsessed by ranking on FFlogs. They can be found in a lot of different content and they aren't always trying to compare themselves to the best of the best, only interested in how they compare to others who do the same content they do.

    Every game has its art design for armor and progression system for obtaining gear.

    Every game has its method for designing dungeons that after time ends up influenced by how players engage with the dungeons. Why are branching paths not used? Because players decide on a "most efficient" and ignore the rest. Why was crowd control moved from dungeons? Because players felt it was time-consuming and annoying when they really just wanted their loot.

    The Dawntrail story might start out low stakes but it will build up over time. The "stakes" reset was needed. There can't always be a next even worse threat, especially when you just fought one that was trying to destroy all life in the universe.

    Quote Originally Posted by Turtledeluxe View Post
    Imo devs care far too much about what players want. Dev are artists-- they are supposed to show audiences what they want, not the other way around. I understand using player feedback for quality of life changes but players should not be deciding job Design. SAM wasn't united in removing Kaiten so why are they doing it? SMN did are not united in being steamrolled so why did they do that? I do not buy that they have gone by what a majority wants. They listen to Ultimate raiders who want braindead classes because the content is too hard, and then it bleeds down into the casual modes and makes them a cake walk.

    And if it isn't raiders, fair enough. They need to stop listening to whoever they are listening to.
    Artists only survive when enough people are buying what they create.

    You might be surprised at the number making art with mass market appeal for income while they work on their passion projects that few are interested in out of the public eye.
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    Last edited by Jojoya; 10-21-2023 at 07:34 AM.

  2. #42
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    Speaking of getting feedback, what speaks against getting feedback from within the game?
    Many games have an ingame survey option. I feel like FFXIV could greatly benefit from implementing something like that.
    Make a quarterly survey on how players feel about specific parts of the game and recent changes. Of course you'd need someone to parse all the feedback but honestly, SE has the resources for it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jojoya View Post
    I have to wonder why they care it's been posted on subreddit as well.
    It's that engrained NA mentality of feeling the need to find things to be chronically argumentative over. Part of me feels like it's almost the entire reason the English forums are so seemingly ignored as a whole.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mayhemmer View Post
    It's that engrained NA mentality of feeling the need to find things to be chronically argumentative over. Part of me feels like it's almost the entire reason the English forums are so seemingly ignored as a whole.
    we have created such a climate that everyone detests all forms of social media and discussion over this game on english speaking forums

    the things people will shit talk and find a joke in no particular order:

    twitter
    streamers
    youtubers
    official forums
    the mainsub
    xiv discussion

    anything else is just essentially considered fringe

    its one of those really funny but also really sad realizations
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    That was insightful and I completely agree word for word. Is it gonna happen? Don't think so. Would it be nice? Absolutely.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Atelier-Bagur View Post
    I flippin knew it. Changes always go back to its source. Which is us. I mean the same thing is happening with the recent alliance roulette ilv change. They did it because people have been asking.
    And yet when you say raiders are to blame for why jobs are balanced into the ground they throw a hissy fit here. lol It's unfortunate that SE only designs for either hardcore casuals or meta slaves aka the silent majority or the vocal minority. If you're somewhere in the middle uh... good luck.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Turtledeluxe View Post
    And if it isn't raiders, fair enough. They need to stop listening to whoever they are listening to.
    I think the problem is they're not listening to anyone, except the guys reporting their profit margins.

    I ventured over to the JP forums to see if it was perhaps something coming from their side, but even they're not jazzed with how things are going right now, with an ongoing thread discussing the problems with the game. Which ironically gives me some small hope, I guess, that some of these concerns might actually get listened to one day...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ivtrix View Post
    twitter
    streamers
    youtubers
    official forums
    the mainsub
    xiv discussion
    I mean, let's be honest, most of those are awful most of the time
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  9. #49
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lunaxia View Post
    I think the problem is they're not listening to anyone, except the guys reporting their profit margins.

    I ventured over to the JP forums to see if it was perhaps something coming from their side, but even they're not jazzed with how things are going right now, with an ongoing thread discussing the problems with the game. Which ironically gives me some small hope, I guess, that some of these concerns might actually get listened to one day...
    Makes sense. Anyone profit driven will demand simplicity because they think braindead games draw in players. As we see with ER and BG3, that's not the case. They're not MMOs but offline games have a huge audience with the same age range as MMOs and it can't be coincidence that those games innovated and saw success.

    Imo nothing about XIV is innovating but rather resting on laurels. As the OP noted it totally lacks risk.
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    The glamour request is a common request, but I certainly don't want it to be a completionist thing. Working like the Armoire would be alright.

    I doubt they will connect the maps, but I would like for the transition between areas to make sense ie. Gridania leading into Coerthas. The maps are bigger now at least, so for example La Noscea would be 1-2 areas if it were made now.

    When I think of dungeons being boring, I try to look objectively and there is a rotation and visual tells to learn in them, it's just that we do them so often that they become easy. You can see how first timers will rack up those vuln stacks in the current expert dungeons. Whatever difficulty they add, we will get used to it and they will become boring due to repeating them.

    The arenas are squares or circles intentionally, obviously. A lot of people want them to be varied but they seem to have a reason for doing this.

    As far as dodging AoEs, I don't have a problem at all with this tick rate. If I avoid a red circle on my screen, then I avoided it, even with almost 200 ping.

    They are aware that house decorating relies on bugs so I am sure that is on their mind.

    Summoner isn't a pet job. It's a job that summons. A pet would be pointless. But they do in fact still have Carbuncle out the whole time, so it is still there.

    The other suggestions are common requests or could be good ideas.
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    Last edited by Jeeqbit; 10-21-2023 at 01:19 PM.

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