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    Quote Originally Posted by Arkdra View Post
    In short, your ideas are bad and you should feel bad,
    I may not entirely agree with the OP but they have no reason to feel bad.

    You, on the other hand, should. There's no reason to be insulting.

    Quote Originally Posted by Thurmnmurmn View Post
    Pretty sure the only reason people are complaining about this being posted on Reddit too is that they have to see an opinion they don't agree with more than once.
    Life is so hard, I know.
    I have to wonder why they care it's been posted on subreddit as well.

    The OP is trying to leave their feedback in places where it might get seen and passed onto the development team.

    Not everyone here in the forums follows the subreddit. Not everyone who follows the subreddit comes to the forums.

    We have no clue where the developers get feedback from NA other than occasionally MrHappy videos because they've never referenced any other specific NA sources as far as I know.

    Quote Originally Posted by Turtledeluxe View Post
    Not to sound pointed but, what a load of bullshit. It is easy for the dev team to blame players bc it is ambiguous ans all catching. Intermediate players are asking for the two minute meta? They have to be joking. The two minute meta is feedback directly from people who play the very hardest content in the game. All it does for intermediate content is make it too easy because you can do whatever the hell you want and 60% of your dps will likely get boosted.

    In regards to going outside and playing another game, last time I checked going outside doesn't make armor design less lazy. It doesn't make dungeons less copy-paste. It doesn't make the open world more creative or fun. Going outside just means the game stays safe.

    The dungeon flow for example is so half assed I don't even see the point of trash mobs. Just make everything a boss gauntlet with hallways that have memoirs scattered in them.

    And with the story going in a low stakes, ez breezy island mode with tacos and dbz tournaments, the same old cast, the story is set to go into autopilot mode as well.
    I wouldn't be so sure about who was demanding the 2 minute meta, or even what was meant by "intermediate players".

    Seems to me the players most interested in the 2 minute meta would be those obsessed by ranking on FFlogs. They can be found in a lot of different content and they aren't always trying to compare themselves to the best of the best, only interested in how they compare to others who do the same content they do.

    Every game has its art design for armor and progression system for obtaining gear.

    Every game has its method for designing dungeons that after time ends up influenced by how players engage with the dungeons. Why are branching paths not used? Because players decide on a "most efficient" and ignore the rest. Why was crowd control moved from dungeons? Because players felt it was time-consuming and annoying when they really just wanted their loot.

    The Dawntrail story might start out low stakes but it will build up over time. The "stakes" reset was needed. There can't always be a next even worse threat, especially when you just fought one that was trying to destroy all life in the universe.

    Quote Originally Posted by Turtledeluxe View Post
    Imo devs care far too much about what players want. Dev are artists-- they are supposed to show audiences what they want, not the other way around. I understand using player feedback for quality of life changes but players should not be deciding job Design. SAM wasn't united in removing Kaiten so why are they doing it? SMN did are not united in being steamrolled so why did they do that? I do not buy that they have gone by what a majority wants. They listen to Ultimate raiders who want braindead classes because the content is too hard, and then it bleeds down into the casual modes and makes them a cake walk.

    And if it isn't raiders, fair enough. They need to stop listening to whoever they are listening to.
    Artists only survive when enough people are buying what they create.

    You might be surprised at the number making art with mass market appeal for income while they work on their passion projects that few are interested in out of the public eye.
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    Last edited by Jojoya; 10-21-2023 at 07:34 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jojoya View Post
    I have to wonder why they care it's been posted on subreddit as well.
    It's that engrained NA mentality of feeling the need to find things to be chronically argumentative over. Part of me feels like it's almost the entire reason the English forums are so seemingly ignored as a whole.
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    Ivtrix Impreria
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mayhemmer View Post
    It's that engrained NA mentality of feeling the need to find things to be chronically argumentative over. Part of me feels like it's almost the entire reason the English forums are so seemingly ignored as a whole.
    we have created such a climate that everyone detests all forms of social media and discussion over this game on english speaking forums

    the things people will shit talk and find a joke in no particular order:

    twitter
    streamers
    youtubers
    official forums
    the mainsub
    xiv discussion

    anything else is just essentially considered fringe

    its one of those really funny but also really sad realizations
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ivtrix View Post
    twitter
    streamers
    youtubers
    official forums
    the mainsub
    xiv discussion
    I mean, let's be honest, most of those are awful most of the time
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