Square Enix should retire the relic quests with Endwalker

[Atelier-Bagur]

Why are people trying to argue that the relic quest grind was bad? I never heard anyone argue this until they became instant gratification. I did Bozja and Eureka in 2022 and they were thriving. The story that they didn't have a base is a lie. And relics just became equivalent to buying off the MB.

Why don't we make Ultimate weapons available for comedy tomes? Hmm? After all no one wants to grind them.

Where have you been? Theres always talk about certain glrinds being bad heck some of the base ARR steps like the book part have been memed and hated for its awfulness.

And some of the one time steps with the Resistance Relics are also been discussed how atrocius it is. Its just that they went too far into the other spectrum where people have an issur with EW relics

[Turtledeluxe]

Where have you been? Theres always talk about certain glrinds being bad heck some of the base ARR steps like the book part have been memed and hated for its awfulness.

And some of the one time steps with the Resistance Relics are also been discussed how atrocius it is. Its just that they went too far into the other spectrum where people have an issur with EW relics

My point is why does their whining, even if it happened, only affect this grind while we still have others??? The devs were just too busy or lazy and they didn't make an exploratory zone. We all know this. DawnTrail is going to have an exploratory zone. The grind will likely return. Trying to frame it like the original concept of relics was toxic or had some kind of downside is a waste when various elements of the game (island sanctuary, gold saucer, triple triad, gathering, crafting, PvP, savage, extremes, Ultimates) also have their own unique grind and currency that drive different modes of participation and play. Why not just tomeify everything?? People are arguing to argue.

[TaleraRistain]

So unless someone else is forcing you to do specific content, what you get means nothing to you?

Okay. It's not the way that everyone chooses to assign value, though.

I feel the general sentiment among a lot of people who want something a bit more is that if it's something specific that we didn't choose for ourselves, the game is presenting us with a challenge to tackle. If there's something the game is putting us up against, there's a bit more weight that we feel our effort has. I feel like that's a trait a lot of gamers have. Game sets out a challenge. Challenge accepted.

Which is why a good path forward would probably be two paths. One with specific content the game wants you tackle or the option to just buy everything with tomes. It would satisfy their numbers on people participating and allow players who want a more structured system to be able to choose to go that path. Or people could choose to mix and match.

[Jojoya]

Actually thinking about it it would be impossible to do the ARR/HW relics without any effort. Even if you are in a party carrying you for every step the Fate drop steps would be impossible due to the need to actually be involved in the Fate for credit. So there is a bare minimum amount of effort you would need to put in. Sorry if I sound a bit pedantic but it simply isn't true you could AFK in a group and come out with an ARR/HW relic in a day or two. I am pretty sure looking at it the only relic that is fully a participation award is EW as you could probably get people to 3 man a dungeon, especially next expansion when it all becomes poetics.

I never said the player could be totally AFK yet that minimum effort was still getting the same reward as the player that was going all out. It's still just a participation reward in that case.

If credit received was based on individual effort and not group effort, then things would move away from being participation rewards.

I mentioned it earlier in the topic, and I'm going to echo this again. It was never about the content being hard or a grind, it was something to break up the daily monotony and get you to do something else.

If you feel the need to do something else, can't you just choose to do something else? Do you have to have someone else give you a reason?

I feel the general sentiment among a lot of people who want something a bit more is that if it's something specific that we didn't choose for ourselves, the game is presenting us with a challenge to tackle. If there's something the game is putting us up against, there's a bit more weight that we feel our effort has. I feel like that's a trait a lot of gamers have. Game sets out a challenge. Challenge accepted.

Which is why a good path forward would probably be two paths. One with specific content the game wants you tackle or the option to just buy everything with tomes. It would satisfy their numbers on people participating and allow players who want a more structured system to be able to choose to go that path. Or people could choose to mix and match.

I understand the desire to meet a challenge.

What I don't understand is the thinking that the challenge is only valid if it is set by someone else instead of setting it yourself.

[Ravenblade1979]

I understand the desire to meet a challenge.

What I don't understand is the thinking that the challenge is only valid if it is set by someone else instead of setting it yourself.

When it comes to relics. The player doesn't have a choice. It's set before them by the dev team. Alot (myself included) were highly disappointed by manderville steps.

Don't get me wrong, love me hildi storyline but what I can't stand is how simple the steps are otherwise.

I do get your point though..I really do and there's lots of challenges in the game if you just look but the challenge the old relics set to the player made you feel like you accomplished something.

Now it's...ok i can lazily get 1500 causality a step..no need to put effort in. No feeling like you accomplished anything.

I personally didn't like eureka or bozja at all but I still feel like I accomplished something every step of the way

[Turtledeluxe]

I never said the player could be totally AFK yet that minimum effort was still getting the same reward as the player that was going all out. It's still just a participation reward in that case.

If credit received was based on individual effort and not group effort, then things would move away from being participation rewards.


If you feel the need to do something else, can't you just choose to do something else? Do you have to have someone else give you a reason?


I understand the desire to meet a challenge.

What I don't understand is the thinking that the challenge is only valid if it is set by someone else instead of setting it yourself.

OK what are your top 3 things to do during time between expansions?