Square Enix should retire the relic quests with Endwalker

[Jojoya]

Again, I am NOT asking the steps to be EASY or HARD. Even though none of the relics were even hard to begin with. They just require you to make the effort to switch a varied degree of your routine to work for it. EW doesn’t do that to you. If you’ve been doing roulettes since base 6.0? Congrats, that’s all you need to do! What a way to cut corner!

So unless someone else is forcing you to do specific content, what you get means nothing to you?

Okay. It's not the way that everyone chooses to assign value, though.

If the previous ones were participation rewards, we wouldn't be hearing square patting their backs over the completion rate of the current ones.

A participation reward is something you can get with little effort. Essentially it's celebrating mediocrity.

Honestly if they continue down this route, I would suggest doing 2 relics. One slightly worst one that you can get the easy way. Then a better one that requires more of a grind in something like exploration content. Maybe even make the harder one dyeable like how savage vs normal raids are.

Participation rewards are something you get for participating, regardless of your performance compared to the others that were participating. The effort can be greater or smaller but it doesn't change the reward.

Someone could go back through the ARR and HW relics doing everything in groups, letting others put in all the effort, and they will still get their relics for participating in what was needed.

There was nothing hard about what players were asked to do. It was at worst tedious.

I'd be fine if they started adding different relics for different content difficulty. What i'd love to see is one that requires true exploration and discovery (getting special components to drop off open world mobs or hidden in random chests, etc.). Unfortunately the game doesn't seem to be designed to accommodate that sort of content.

[Rein_eon_Osborne]

So unless someone else is forcing you to do specific content, what you get means nothing to you?

Okay. It's not the way that everyone chooses to assign value, though.

Glad we can at least agree on something then! It should’ve been clear to them that any content should not be designed to appeal everybody and I hope they will learn from this iteration & its pushbacks (lmao fat hope but one can dream)—especially when the very content is already an OPTIONAL GRIND unlike MSQ.

[chaotix69]

This guy has been my favorite poster lately. I laugh every single time.

[Xeronia]

So unless someone else is forcing you to do specific content, what you get means nothing to you?

Okay. It's not the way that everyone chooses to assign value, though.


Participation rewards are something you get for participating, regardless of your performance compared to the others that were participating. The effort can be greater or smaller but it doesn't change the reward.

Someone could go back through the ARR and HW relics doing everything in groups, letting others put in all the effort, and they will still get their relics for participating in what was needed.

There was nothing hard about what players were asked to do. It was at worst tedious.

I'd be fine if they started adding different relics for different content difficulty. What i'd love to see is one that requires true exploration and discovery (getting special components to drop off open world mobs or hidden in random chests, etc.). Unfortunately the game doesn't seem to be designed to accommodate that sort of content.

Actually thinking about it it would be impossible to do the ARR/HW relics without any effort. Even if you are in a party carrying you for every step the Fate drop steps would be impossible due to the need to actually be involved in the Fate for credit. So there is a bare minimum amount of effort you would need to put in. Sorry if I sound a bit pedantic but it simply isn't true you could AFK in a group and come out with an ARR/HW relic in a day or two. I am pretty sure looking at it the only relic that is fully a participation award is EW as you could probably get people to 3 man a dungeon, especially next expansion when it all becomes poetics.

[Thurmnmurmn]

When people keep responding to me with "So what you're saying is [Thing I never said]."
It definitely calls into question their reading comprehension. I had to double check and it looks like you've also been guilty of this multiple times in this thread of telling me "you're literally saying" and then folowing it with something I didn't even say.

Maybe actually read the contents of posts before responding to your own delusions of what you think they're saying.

I can say the same about reading comprehension with you but I'd rather not throw around baseless insults.

I explained why I said "so what you're saying is" and the only explanation I got from you was "I can log in and have a daily plan", which isn't exclusive to the relic when it's content you've been doing all along anyways (potentially).

Me saying the relic is achievable without changing your game style isn't an insult towards you. It's simply me voicing displeasure with the current relic system.

[Saraide]

When you finished a relic from previous expansions, you at least felt something.

Yea I felt the hope that the devs will stop with the boring grinds and instead give me the pretty glam quicker.

[Orinori]

Square Enix has attempted to innovate the relic weapon questline for the vast majority of the playerbase during Endwalker but despite the increased happiness of the majority of players the loud minority has angrily protested and even threatened Square Enix over the changes. More players than ever can complete and enjoy a relic weapon and the hateful toxic minority can't stand it.

Square Enix should retaliate by giving the toxic minority exactly what they want. Discontinue the relic weapon quests after Endwalker. The relic weapons have become an elitist status that players who have far too much time use to belittle and mock the more casual playerbase with. Replace the relics with tome weapons that have exquisite designs that the majority of the players will enjoy and appreciate. The no-lifing elitists that want to change the relic weapons into an eternal grind with seethe but this is what they deserve. They have earned this with their poor behavior. Reward your faithful and supporting playerbase while punishing the loud vocal minority. Bless your loyal followers who are grateful and rain punishment down upon those who antagonize you.

Relic + Elitist = Omegalul

[Mikey_R]

I don’t need to switch up my daily routine to get EW relic. But if I do the same to any older expac relic, I won’t ever get any of those steps done. There’s a difference between these two. One doesn’t require you to make the commitment to change your pace. The other requires a semblance of choice to make your progress.

Again, I am NOT asking the steps to be EASY or HARD. Even though none of the relics were even hard to begin with. They just require you to make the effort to switch a varied degree of your routine to work for it. EW doesn’t do that to you. If you’ve been doing roulettes since base 6.0? Congrats, that’s all you need to do! What a way to cut corner!

I mentioned it earlier in the topic, and I'm going to echo this again. It was never about the content being hard or a grind, it was something to break up the daily monotony and get you to do something else.

If we bring Variant Dungeons into this, yes, you could in theory run it 38 times for 1 weapon, but it is wholly ineffective to do. Same with Eureka Orthos. It means, once you have completed the content, you aren't likely to go back in. However, what about if it guaranteed a drop of an item you needed for the relic? Maybe Criterion drops an extra mat to encourage players to try it out. Suddenly, you have more incentive to go into these things and keep the content alive longer.

I also don't see why we couldn't incorporate the DoL/DoH jobs either. Allow you to buy mats from scrips for example. Or, maybe allow the acquisition through PvP via wolf marks or maybe even RNG drops. Bring back the tribal quests as an avenue for getting the items and the list can go on.

If you want to have the relic be available no matter what you do, then you need to encourage people to do those things. By our very nature, humans will prefer the easiest, quickest route to get something, but we will also prefer doing thing we enjoy. Give people the incentive to branch out and potentially do things they might not have done before. That should be the goal of the relic, getting you to do parts of the game you might not otherwise try.

[Turtledeluxe]

Why are people trying to argue that the relic quest grind was bad? I never heard anyone argue this until they became instant gratification. I did Bozja and Eureka in 2022 and they were thriving. The story that they didn't have a base is a lie. And relics just became equivalent to buying off the MB.

Why don't we make Ultimate weapons available for comedy tomes? Hmm? After all no one wants to grind them.

Imb4 the essay of how we just don't get it because tomeifying any other gear or Glam "breaks the game" because that type of content keeps people busy between patches and offers a unique experience that rewards you for dedication or some nonsense. Eureka doesnt do that??? People are arguing for absolutely no reason. The new relic grind could have 99.9% engagement, it's still one of the dumbest ideas in EW.

[Atelier-Bagur]

Yea I felt the hope that the devs will stop with the boring grinds and instead give me the pretty glam quicker.

You felt the sweet release of death.



But then you get revived and you start hating yourself all over again