Square Enix should retire the relic quests with Endwalker

[Xeronia]

So unless someone else is forcing you to do specific content, what you get means nothing to you?

Okay. It's not the way that everyone chooses to assign value, though.


Participation rewards are something you get for participating, regardless of your performance compared to the others that were participating. The effort can be greater or smaller but it doesn't change the reward.

Someone could go back through the ARR and HW relics doing everything in groups, letting others put in all the effort, and they will still get their relics for participating in what was needed.

There was nothing hard about what players were asked to do. It was at worst tedious.

I'd be fine if they started adding different relics for different content difficulty. What i'd love to see is one that requires true exploration and discovery (getting special components to drop off open world mobs or hidden in random chests, etc.). Unfortunately the game doesn't seem to be designed to accommodate that sort of content.

Actually thinking about it it would be impossible to do the ARR/HW relics without any effort. Even if you are in a party carrying you for every step the Fate drop steps would be impossible due to the need to actually be involved in the Fate for credit. So there is a bare minimum amount of effort you would need to put in. Sorry if I sound a bit pedantic but it simply isn't true you could AFK in a group and come out with an ARR/HW relic in a day or two. I am pretty sure looking at it the only relic that is fully a participation award is EW as you could probably get people to 3 man a dungeon, especially next expansion when it all becomes poetics.

[Jojoya]

Actually thinking about it it would be impossible to do the ARR/HW relics without any effort. Even if you are in a party carrying you for every step the Fate drop steps would be impossible due to the need to actually be involved in the Fate for credit. So there is a bare minimum amount of effort you would need to put in. Sorry if I sound a bit pedantic but it simply isn't true you could AFK in a group and come out with an ARR/HW relic in a day or two. I am pretty sure looking at it the only relic that is fully a participation award is EW as you could probably get people to 3 man a dungeon, especially next expansion when it all becomes poetics.

I never said the player could be totally AFK yet that minimum effort was still getting the same reward as the player that was going all out. It's still just a participation reward in that case.

If credit received was based on individual effort and not group effort, then things would move away from being participation rewards.

I mentioned it earlier in the topic, and I'm going to echo this again. It was never about the content being hard or a grind, it was something to break up the daily monotony and get you to do something else.

If you feel the need to do something else, can't you just choose to do something else? Do you have to have someone else give you a reason?

I feel the general sentiment among a lot of people who want something a bit more is that if it's something specific that we didn't choose for ourselves, the game is presenting us with a challenge to tackle. If there's something the game is putting us up against, there's a bit more weight that we feel our effort has. I feel like that's a trait a lot of gamers have. Game sets out a challenge. Challenge accepted.

Which is why a good path forward would probably be two paths. One with specific content the game wants you tackle or the option to just buy everything with tomes. It would satisfy their numbers on people participating and allow players who want a more structured system to be able to choose to go that path. Or people could choose to mix and match.

I understand the desire to meet a challenge.

What I don't understand is the thinking that the challenge is only valid if it is set by someone else instead of setting it yourself.

[Turtledeluxe]

I never said the player could be totally AFK yet that minimum effort was still getting the same reward as the player that was going all out. It's still just a participation reward in that case.

If credit received was based on individual effort and not group effort, then things would move away from being participation rewards.


If you feel the need to do something else, can't you just choose to do something else? Do you have to have someone else give you a reason?


I understand the desire to meet a challenge.

What I don't understand is the thinking that the challenge is only valid if it is set by someone else instead of setting it yourself.

OK what are your top 3 things to do during time between expansions?