Square Enix should retire the relic quests with Endwalker

[Volgia]

CBU3 answers to Square who answers to their shareholders. But we, as the players, can still express our disappointment with the direction of the game. Dawntrail is already done, so nothing is going to change there. Post patch, maybe. Expansion 6, maybe. But if we all just shut up and disappear, then Square never hears anything (assuming they are even willing to listen).
CBU can take FFXIV in any direction they want. I can complain about that direction.

I agree with this sentiment. The shareholders want our money, this is a community based game and we definetly have an influence on how the game is shaped. I feel the sentiment "It's up to the individual player to see if the sub is worth it" is kind of spineless. Demand for the game to be better and if they don't listen then take that step out.

[Musashidon]

Demand for the game to be better and if they don't listen then take that step out.

but what is better? a lot of the repeated discussion is, what i want is objectively better and what you want is objectively worse.

then everyone goes in circles and there is no understanding between the groups at all.

[Volgia]

but what is better? a lot of the repeated discussion is, what i want is objectively better and what you want is objectively worse.

then everyone goes in circles and there is no understanding between the groups at all.

I think more playable content is objectively better than watching some cutscenes and getting some weapons for free. Things like Relic weapons quests can keep the game active during drought months (Which is looking to be around 6 to 7 months this time around), the ShB relics made use of almost all the old content, so if you wanted a nice looking weapon you had the content to play through it. Added two massive zones, one raid instance, lost actions and a progression system people got lost in.

Here the problem is that the mid-core people are angry because they took a whole sizeable part of the experience away, and the casual people are like "Why are you asking for these weapons to be harder to get? Like just do some dailies, get your relic weapon and then log off and play something else". Square Enix cut corners on Endwalker, and the issue here is a lot of people (I'm on that side) don't want them for this to be the standard.

[Musashidon]

I think more playable content is objectively better than watching some cutscenes and getting some weapons for free. Things like Relic weapons quests can keep the game active during drought months (Which is looking to be around 6 to 7 months this time around), the ShB relics made use of almost all the old content, so if you wanted a nice looking weapon you had the content to play through it. Added two massive zones, one raid instance, lost actions and a progression system people got lost in.

the relics have never added content heck the content you're talking about didnt even require you to get the weapons. if players want exploration content they can ask for that content and not ask for relics to be slapped into it for no reason.

i can't say SE has cut corners this expansion because before sb or shb exporation content didnt exist and the relics were literally just go grind dead content.

i don't feel anyone has said the grind for the relics were hard just annoying and boring or for people to just grind some tomes and log off.

as a new spin on the question maybe it could change the answer or maybe its just how you want the relic to be specifically.

why does the relic have to be a boring grind slapped onto already made content with no real substance to what it's put into and not something new good and interesting actually based around the relic weapons?

i have said it before but i don't feel people are against a relic grind they are against what is has been this whole time which is a fake time waster added to resources they already made and instead of just slapping the relic onto the content they made like normal they just didn't and other than the people who wanted exploration content or a grind added it's had positive results.