What's the point with that quite lackluster story in Endwalker?

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Yes but I think it's reasonable to assume that if someone is going into a situation with a negative preconception, they are significantly less likely to produce positive interactions. The way I phrased was reactionary because I felt you were being insulting and I respond to insults with dismissiveness, but what I am saying at the root is that your signature seems like a self fulfilling prophecy. That's not an attack on you as a person.

I skimmed through 30+ pages and a lot you posted had writing i would deem insulting. Not against me but i see it just like you and thought you were unable to write a post without insults. It seems i was wrong Sry to assume. In my defense i have seen things here...

But they aren't. You took a handful of quotes from early in the conversation when I honestly did not have a firm handle on what the takes ITT were (there ended being a lot, so many that I hit the post limit, which is why I was wary of your questions as bait).

So you not knowing all the takes yet excuses you being mean? I didn't know you hit the post limit. I'm not keeping track of everyones amount of posts.

Feeling like posts are trolling isn't anger and also, again, that was earlier in the topic and at the time I was seeing 'genocide genocide genocide' and it felt like lazy trolling, sure. It took a bit to get dialogue going that was focused on other elements of the story that are relevant. Yes, the idea no one would have believed Venat is just an opinion etc. (assuming the Elpis visit is the actual history) but I didn't say or imply in any way that it was a dev statement, lore, a side story, etc. I'm not closing off room for other opinions-- maybe the Elpis visit really is the true history of Eorzea, I just find it stupid. The player who likes that isn't stupid.

And you are free to think that. My impression was that you never acknowledged the fact that Venat should be called out for genocide / omnicide. You even moved the goalpost to the fact that it's just a video game. What this ignores is that the scions are somehow very against Garleans slaugthering others. We don't they get a free pass?

I think taking a sarcastic comment and turning it up to 11 as "antisocial psychopath" is a stretch. It's less about people disagreeing with me and more that I truly think part of what drives the criticism about EW (particularly the fact this thread won't die) is that people are often bothered when other people enjoy something they don't. It leads to a need to "expose the truth" etc. Although just to be clear, the onus is on me here as I was reckless with some of my commentary and unprepared for people to have genuine takes based on what I had already seen so far and the OP.

Yeah that happens. People being negative and trying to convince everyone it's bad is also a thing... a normalized take these times it seems. I didn't see this here, at least in what i read. This topic does from time to time slow down immensely. The funny thing is new posters writing stuff along the lines of "You are all just haters! EW was the best game ever!!!" seems to be the only thing making this topic hot again. And no i didn't mean you. There was however a poster who i almost quoted there. Months ago...

This is true but I'm not certain a TV show running for 10 years has as much collective dialogue as XIV. Between all those quests? Also TV shows don't have to account for a player experiencing each segment, which can affect the storytelling method chosen. Either way I'm not saying "have zero expectations", I'm saying "regarding the time travel, they don't want to explain it bc it won't make sense". And it won't because everyone has their own interpretation of it that they don't want to clamp down on. No matter where they clamp down there will be some logical inconsistency somewhere for someone.

FFXIV does not have alternate versions of dialog except for little <insertRace>, <insertGender> and <YouDidTheRaids> segments. So they don't have to keep a compley tree alive. Which is understandable. I am not taking dialog from some random ARR quest and pointing out how it doesn't make sense with an ShB Emmet speach or something like that. The MSQ however should make sense. I also believe the time travel rules should be made clear. With so much being vague, anything can happen. Which often results in: nothing matters.

I disagree on the time travel and clamping down. If i would be shown evidence in game, the MSQ preverably, that contradicts my assumptions about how the time travel works, i am completely willing to change my view. My whole point of view of it is made by what i see as the most logical conclusion to the vague (sometimes implied) rules i have been given by the game. It is very much possible i am completely wrong with what the writers intended.