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    Quote Originally Posted by Turtledeluxe View Post
    The devs stated it in a Q&A. It was a gamble. I've said this several times. It was a general attack meant to shatter Zodiark.

    As far as "we told her"-- the devs also have not given a definitive answer to what happened with the timelines. I understand the morbol thing and elidibus remembering us, but a. Let's be real this would be a total retcon, there's never even been a hint the WoL existed in Elpis, we were proabably in Elpis as Azem and b. Even if the devs conceded that our Elpis visit is truly part of history then they're contradicting themselves by labeling what she did a gamble.

    And if the devs can't even make sense it's not worth arguing about imo because it means only your interpretation matters.
    What game did you play? No evidence the WoL existed in Elpis? Elidibus remembers us being there. When we confront Hydaelyn in the aetherial sea she remembers us being in Elpis. The end of the Paendamonium raid series has Eric remarking about us in the memory vision. If you did the Elpis side quests before finishing Myths of the Realm then you have special dialogue for some of the deities and the events you took part in. Believe me when I say I would love for the WoL to have not actually existed in Elpis, but that's simply what happened.

    As for the sundering attacking on Zodiark. Link the specific portion of the Q&A you are referring to.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Xirean View Post
    What game did you play? No evidence the WoL existed in Elpis? Elidibus remembers us being there. When we confront Hydaelyn in the aetherial sea she remembers us being in Elpis. The end of the Paendamonium raid series has Eric remarking about us in the memory vision. If you did the Elpis side quests before finishing Myths of the Realm then you have special dialogue for some of the deities and the events you took part in. Believe me when I say I would love for the WoL to have not actually existed in Elpis, but that's simply what happened.

    As for the sundering attacking on Zodiark. Link the specific portion of the Q&A you are referring to.
    I played the game where it's casually hinted at multiple times that we were Azem. It's not possible the WoL existed in Elpis-- they're a sundered being. Argos also responded to us, doesn't mean it was literally us. Also Elidibus just conveniently remembers us despite never having his memory affected by Kairos...? I know someone's going to say "well he died and his memory was freshed"-- please. Elidibus is very familiar with our character and he would've sensed something before now. I don't think he was responding to your literal face but the fact you're a sundered part of Azem (as is Golbez imho). So by extension, there's an original past time line that exists independent of our visit.

    And that goes for everything imo-- the Alliance Raid, pandaemonium, argos whatever. But it literally being our WoL vs Azem (or some Ancient) doesn't make any sense.

    . I'd be interested to know how the unsundered Ascians—Lahabrea, Elidibus, and Emet-Selch—avoided being kicked into 14 pieces by Hydaelyn.
    A4. https://youtu.be/WRpdIL7_NII?t=13301
    Summary: Venat intentionally left a tiny flaw in her sundering attack, a "crack" for Emet-Selch to wiggle through. This was a gamble because she didn't have full control over the sundering attack, she could not be sure Emet-Selch would live.

    How is it a gamble and how does she not have control if she knew she was going to it and the result because we told her? Riddle me this
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    Last edited by Turtledeluxe; 10-16-2023 at 01:01 PM.