Alliance Raid Now iLvl Locked, Why??

[VerdeLuck]

I'm not seeing anyone denying that it was happening.

The question is whether that single individual was what caused CT to pop or if there were others in the Alliance with characteristics that cause CT to pop. Unless someone was going to spend the entire raid examining each and every player on Lodestone, short of the new player bonus message appearing there really was no way of knowing.

I've got 3 max level characters that have only done CT and not unlocked the other Alliance raids.

I've got a character in the high 70s that likewise has only unlocked CT.

I've got another character that is mid 60s but is working on the 2.2 MSQ. She only has CT unlocked not so much out of choice (though I don't plan to unlock the others) but because of the MSQ wall.

Even if any of those characters had others unlocked, you're still only going to get CT if they're leveling a 50-59 job.

Someone needing to be healed as the Alliance enters the instance may have been crafting when the queue popped and changed their gear just as they entered so they hadn't regenerated all their HP yet. I just timed switching from my CRP to my level 90 WHM and it took 25 seconds for my HP to fill.

You coming in and immediately going to bat for the people who were using this exploit makes sense when you freely admit to having 5+ characters who only ever run crystal tower.
Starting to notice a pattern about the people who defend this and are asking for the system to be reworked.

I guess I'm glad you can enjoy never having anything but crystal tower while Ivalice and Nier were 2 hour queues per duty when I tried to do those for the first time.
What a nice community that loves to have a million alts but lets old content sit with abysmally long queue times because they think it would ruin the optimal farm pattern on their 10th alt character to fill in and let new people experience it.

[Boblawblah]

You coming in and immediately going to bat for the people who were using this exploit makes sense when you freely admit to having 5+ characters who only ever run crystal tower.
Starting to notice a pattern about the people who defend this and are asking for the system to be reworked.

Wait, do you think that not unlocking Raids is exploiting the system?

[VerdeLuck]

Wait, do you think that not unlocking Raids is exploiting the system?

I wouldn't say that situation is exploiting but someone who refuses to unlock or run anything but Crystal Tower on a half dozen alts coming into a thread to defend the honor of random people who were exploiting the queues to the detriment of other players?
That's extremely suspicious.

[nivada]

Wait, do you think that not unlocking Raids is exploiting the system?

Yes, it goes against the spirit why higher ilvl'es for job's where introduced, to prevent ilvl cheesing to only get crystal tower, so other raids can appear more in alliance raid roulletes. Purposfully not unlocking other raids to only get ct would fall under exploiting the system too.
They should really add in that you should have unlocked all alliance raids you currently can unlock with your msq progression too.

[PyurBlue]

You coming in and immediately going to bat for the people who were using this exploit

What thread are you reading?

Yes, it goes against the spirit why higher ilvl'es for job's where introduced, to prevent ilvl cheesing to only get crystal tower, so other raids can appear more in alliance raid roulletes. Purposfully not unlocking other raids to only get ct would fall under exploiting the system too.
They should really add in that you should have unlocked all alliance raids you currently can unlock with your msq progression too.

I wouldn't consider playing by the rules to be an exploit. If SE really wanted to make as many people as possible available for queues, they just force unlock the raids.

Choosing not to unlock content for any reason is just playing the game as it allows itself to be played. While there may be complications that arise from this, that's more on SE than on players.

[Baxcel]

Yes, it goes against the spirit why higher ilvl'es for job's where introduced, to prevent ilvl cheesing to only get crystal tower, so other raids can appear more in alliance raid roulletes. Purposfully not unlocking other raids to only get ct would fall under exploiting the system too.
They should really add in that you should have unlocked all alliance raids you currently can unlock with your msq progression too.

Guess it's time to start phase 2 of fixing Alliance Roulette.. lock the roulette so that unless you have all 3 raids unlocked for your level you can't que into it..
50 need all 3 crystal towers to que
60 need all Void Ark and below to que
And so on so that by lv90 you need to have unlocked all Alliance raids or the roulette is locked for you..

After that we can place a MSQ check on it.. might need to make it so players can't party with free trial for the roulette to stop the "ill just que with an alt to force tower" BS that was being spouted when the fix was announced.. if it gets to bad again guess we'll just have to make AR solo que only

[Boblawblah]

Guess it's time to start phase 2 of fixing Alliance Roulette.. lock the roulette so that unless you have all 3 raids unlocked for your level you can't que into it..
50 need all 3 crystal towers to que
60 need all Void Ark and below to que
And so on so that by lv90 you need to have unlocked all Alliance raids or the roulette is locked for you..

After that we can place a MSQ check on it.. might need to make it so players can't party with free trial for the roulette to stop the "ill just que with an alt to force tower" BS that was being spouted when the fix was announced.. if it gets to bad again guess we'll just have to make AR solo que only

lol, can you imagine? New players aren't able to take advantage of CT roulette because they can't possibly have it all unlocked, so the whole point of roulettes become well..pointless.

[Baxcel]

lol, can you imagine? New players aren't able to take advantage of CT roulette because they can't possibly have it all unlocked, so the whole point of roulettes become well..pointless.

Why wouldn't they be able to do crystal tower? It's required by story you have to be lv50 to do it and you do all 3 one after the other.. so they would have access to it an once they've done all 3 the roulette would unlock until they were lv60 at which point they'd need to unlock void ark chain..

How do you get that they couldn't do crystal tower from that?

[Jojoya]

You coming in and immediately going to bat for the people who were using this exploit makes sense when you freely admit to having 5+ characters who only ever run crystal tower.
Starting to notice a pattern about the people who defend this and are asking for the system to be reworked.

I guess I'm glad you can enjoy never having anything but crystal tower while Ivalice and Nier were 2 hour queues per duty when I tried to do those for the first time.
What a nice community that loves to have a million alts but lets old content sit with abysmally long queue times because they think it would ruin the optimal farm pattern on their 10th alt character to fill in and let new people experience it.

I didn't say they only run CT. I said that's the only one they've ever run and most of them have run it exactly once - for the MSQ requirement. They haven't stepped foot into an Alliance raid since.

I don't run Alliance Roulette on any of my characters. If I go into an Alliance raid it's to keep a friend company and it's on this character 95% of the time, which has unlocked all of them. Whether we do it via roulette or direct queue is up to the friend.

I'm not stopping anyone from experiencing anything. Nor am I allowing them to force me into content that I did not find an enjoyable experience.

What I was doing is pointing out the various situations that could occur leading to an Alliance ending up in CT. It only takes one player out of 24 - and that is SE's fault for setting up a roulette that spans 5 different raids across 41 job levels.

I've said it before. They need to give CT it's own roulette because it is the most common denominator as the only mandatory Alliance raid. That will leave the other Alliance roulette to those players that enjoy Alliance raids as optional content.

I wouldn't say that situation is exploiting but someone who refuses to unlock or run anything but Crystal Tower on a half dozen alts coming into a thread to defend the honor of random people who were exploiting the queues to the detriment of other players?
That's extremely suspicious.

At what point did I defend anyone using the ilvl cheese?

All I said was that it is difficult to prove that any Alliance in CT ended up there because someone was using the ilvl cheese and not because there was a second player that might caused the Alliance to end up in CT for one of numerous other reasons. That's not defending anything. That's pointing out the reality of the situation.

Seriously, both sides in this discussion are whacked. There are solutions available but no one wants to use them because of "principle".

Get gear appropriate to your job level. That's the expected player behavior in MMORPGs. Your problem is solved.

If you don't like the possibility of ending up in a raid you don't like, then create your own roulette by selecting 5 from those you do like then let the game pick which of the 5 you're dumped into. Your problem is solved.

Or don't and be miserable for the sake of the "princlple".

Why wouldn't they be able to do crystal tower? It's required by story you have to be lv50 to do it and you do all 3 one after the other.. so they would have access to it an once they've done all 3 the roulette would unlock until they were lv60 at which point they'd need to unlock void ark chain..

How do you get that they couldn't do crystal tower from that?

They're assuming a change to the roulette that forces players to have every Alliance raid at or below their highest job level unlocked. If someone was level 60 with only CT unlocked, they would be prevented from using the roulette to level an alt job that may not be 60 yet. Yet unless they've completed the 3.0 MSQ, they can't unlock Mhach and that would effectively prevent them for queuing for the roulette for any reason.

What's being ignored is that the roulette is not the only way to get into an Alliance raid. You can direct queue as well. No one is going to be prevented from doing CT that needs it for MSQ.

But of course if people start direct queueing because they've only got CT unlocked, that leave a good possibility that those queueing for a roulette are going to get dumped in CT to fill the Alliance for the player that is queuing directly.

Considering the bored trolls in this game, I imagine that's already started happening for the lulz.

[Boblawblah]

Why wouldn't they be able to do crystal tower? It's required by story you have to be lv50 to do it and you do all 3 one after the other.. so they would have access to it an once they've done all 3 the roulette would unlock until they were lv60 at which point they'd need to unlock void ark chain..

How do you get that they couldn't do crystal tower from that?

No, you're correct, my bad.

That said, I'm not convinced forcing everyone to unlock every raid would work. I know me personally, I'd simply stop doing the raid roulette. I have no interest in some of the raids, and never want to do them (Eden for one). If that means that I'm locked out of the roulette, that sucks, but I'll take that over having to do content I don't want to.