Alliance Raid Now iLvl Locked, Why??

[VerdeLuck]

I'm not seeing anyone denying that it was happening.

The question is whether that single individual was what caused CT to pop or if there were others in the Alliance with characteristics that cause CT to pop. Unless someone was going to spend the entire raid examining each and every player on Lodestone, short of the new player bonus message appearing there really was no way of knowing.

I've got 3 max level characters that have only done CT and not unlocked the other Alliance raids.

I've got a character in the high 70s that likewise has only unlocked CT.

I've got another character that is mid 60s but is working on the 2.2 MSQ. She only has CT unlocked not so much out of choice (though I don't plan to unlock the others) but because of the MSQ wall.

Even if any of those characters had others unlocked, you're still only going to get CT if they're leveling a 50-59 job.

Someone needing to be healed as the Alliance enters the instance may have been crafting when the queue popped and changed their gear just as they entered so they hadn't regenerated all their HP yet. I just timed switching from my CRP to my level 90 WHM and it took 25 seconds for my HP to fill.

You coming in and immediately going to bat for the people who were using this exploit makes sense when you freely admit to having 5+ characters who only ever run crystal tower.
Starting to notice a pattern about the people who defend this and are asking for the system to be reworked.

I guess I'm glad you can enjoy never having anything but crystal tower while Ivalice and Nier were 2 hour queues per duty when I tried to do those for the first time.
What a nice community that loves to have a million alts but lets old content sit with abysmally long queue times because they think it would ruin the optimal farm pattern on their 10th alt character to fill in and let new people experience it.

[Boblawblah]

You coming in and immediately going to bat for the people who were using this exploit makes sense when you freely admit to having 5+ characters who only ever run crystal tower.
Starting to notice a pattern about the people who defend this and are asking for the system to be reworked.

Wait, do you think that not unlocking Raids is exploiting the system?

[VerdeLuck]

Wait, do you think that not unlocking Raids is exploiting the system?

I wouldn't say that situation is exploiting but someone who refuses to unlock or run anything but Crystal Tower on a half dozen alts coming into a thread to defend the honor of random people who were exploiting the queues to the detriment of other players?
That's extremely suspicious.

[nivada]

Wait, do you think that not unlocking Raids is exploiting the system?

Yes, it goes against the spirit why higher ilvl'es for job's where introduced, to prevent ilvl cheesing to only get crystal tower, so other raids can appear more in alliance raid roulletes. Purposfully not unlocking other raids to only get ct would fall under exploiting the system too.
They should really add in that you should have unlocked all alliance raids you currently can unlock with your msq progression too.

[PyurBlue]

You coming in and immediately going to bat for the people who were using this exploit

What thread are you reading?

Yes, it goes against the spirit why higher ilvl'es for job's where introduced, to prevent ilvl cheesing to only get crystal tower, so other raids can appear more in alliance raid roulletes. Purposfully not unlocking other raids to only get ct would fall under exploiting the system too.
They should really add in that you should have unlocked all alliance raids you currently can unlock with your msq progression too.

I wouldn't consider playing by the rules to be an exploit. If SE really wanted to make as many people as possible available for queues, they just force unlock the raids.

Choosing not to unlock content for any reason is just playing the game as it allows itself to be played. While there may be complications that arise from this, that's more on SE than on players.

[Baxcel]

Yes, it goes against the spirit why higher ilvl'es for job's where introduced, to prevent ilvl cheesing to only get crystal tower, so other raids can appear more in alliance raid roulletes. Purposfully not unlocking other raids to only get ct would fall under exploiting the system too.
They should really add in that you should have unlocked all alliance raids you currently can unlock with your msq progression too.

Guess it's time to start phase 2 of fixing Alliance Roulette.. lock the roulette so that unless you have all 3 raids unlocked for your level you can't que into it..
50 need all 3 crystal towers to que
60 need all Void Ark and below to que
And so on so that by lv90 you need to have unlocked all Alliance raids or the roulette is locked for you..

After that we can place a MSQ check on it.. might need to make it so players can't party with free trial for the roulette to stop the "ill just que with an alt to force tower" BS that was being spouted when the fix was announced.. if it gets to bad again guess we'll just have to make AR solo que only

[Boblawblah]

Guess it's time to start phase 2 of fixing Alliance Roulette.. lock the roulette so that unless you have all 3 raids unlocked for your level you can't que into it..
50 need all 3 crystal towers to que
60 need all Void Ark and below to que
And so on so that by lv90 you need to have unlocked all Alliance raids or the roulette is locked for you..

After that we can place a MSQ check on it.. might need to make it so players can't party with free trial for the roulette to stop the "ill just que with an alt to force tower" BS that was being spouted when the fix was announced.. if it gets to bad again guess we'll just have to make AR solo que only

lol, can you imagine? New players aren't able to take advantage of CT roulette because they can't possibly have it all unlocked, so the whole point of roulettes become well..pointless.

[Baxcel]

lol, can you imagine? New players aren't able to take advantage of CT roulette because they can't possibly have it all unlocked, so the whole point of roulettes become well..pointless.

Why wouldn't they be able to do crystal tower? It's required by story you have to be lv50 to do it and you do all 3 one after the other.. so they would have access to it an once they've done all 3 the roulette would unlock until they were lv60 at which point they'd need to unlock void ark chain..

How do you get that they couldn't do crystal tower from that?

[Boblawblah]

Why wouldn't they be able to do crystal tower? It's required by story you have to be lv50 to do it and you do all 3 one after the other.. so they would have access to it an once they've done all 3 the roulette would unlock until they were lv60 at which point they'd need to unlock void ark chain..

How do you get that they couldn't do crystal tower from that?

No, you're correct, my bad.

That said, I'm not convinced forcing everyone to unlock every raid would work. I know me personally, I'd simply stop doing the raid roulette. I have no interest in some of the raids, and never want to do them (Eden for one). If that means that I'm locked out of the roulette, that sucks, but I'll take that over having to do content I don't want to.

[Toutatis]

Guess it's time to start phase 2 of fixing Alliance Roulette.. lock the roulette so that unless you have all 3 raids unlocked for your level you can't que into it..
50 need all 3 crystal towers to que
60 need all Void Ark and below to que
And so on so that by lv90 you need to have unlocked all Alliance raids or the roulette is locked for you..

After that we can place a MSQ check on it.. might need to make it so players can't party with free trial for the roulette to stop the "ill just que with an alt to force tower" BS that was being spouted when the fix was announced.. if it gets to bad again guess we'll just have to make AR solo que only

Punishment isn’t the way to go. New players have a lot of content to complete before they can reach endgame and what you are asking takes a lot of extra time.

Also when buying a story skip (It’s also possible to buy an xp boost without a story skip), only MSQ is unlocked and it takes a while to unlock the rest of the content. Most players who buy that want to reach endgame first (though for me it was an alt char on an EU dc for pvp, Blue and deep dungeons with friends). Basic things such as retainers, glamours, chocobo battle, chocobo bag, aesthetician, extremes, all other raids are locked and require running all sorts of quests.

Quite frankly, I found it a bit discouraging at first. I slowly unlocked all possible raids until the end of ShB (except Nier 3 for health reasons) but it took me 2 months yet getting to lvl 90 only took 3 days and it’s not on even on a preferred world. I found myself locked out of roulette the week after I finished unlocking the raids. Doing the raid stories, waiting in queue (though that was not very long even back then, 20 mins at most, it adds up when it’s for all raids) and the raid themselves takes a lot of time.

It’s easy for veterans with one character to unlock a raid not even every six months or so and complain, it’s a lot more work for a new player or character to unlock everything. With the xbox players arriving soon and then Dawntrail, there’s going to be a lot of new players. Most of them will likely end up on preferred worlds too with a huge xp boost on top of other xp items and fc boost. Locking them out of roulette, and it’s even worse if they paid SE money to get a skip, isn’t the way to go.

iLvl should be simply tied to MSQ progress (that also implies that you’ve reached the corresponding lvl on at least one job).

For the rest, SE could provide incentives such as a mount or guaranteed minion for unlocking a raid series on top of making the questlines more easily identifiable (your map is filled with blue markers and nothing distinguishes AR quests). Some people don’t even k know there are ARs other than CT.