Alliance Raid Now iLvl Locked, Why??

[Baxcel]

Yes, it goes against the spirit why higher ilvl'es for job's where introduced, to prevent ilvl cheesing to only get crystal tower, so other raids can appear more in alliance raid roulletes. Purposfully not unlocking other raids to only get ct would fall under exploiting the system too.
They should really add in that you should have unlocked all alliance raids you currently can unlock with your msq progression too.

Guess it's time to start phase 2 of fixing Alliance Roulette.. lock the roulette so that unless you have all 3 raids unlocked for your level you can't que into it..
50 need all 3 crystal towers to que
60 need all Void Ark and below to que
And so on so that by lv90 you need to have unlocked all Alliance raids or the roulette is locked for you..

After that we can place a MSQ check on it.. might need to make it so players can't party with free trial for the roulette to stop the "ill just que with an alt to force tower" BS that was being spouted when the fix was announced.. if it gets to bad again guess we'll just have to make AR solo que only

[Boblawblah]

Guess it's time to start phase 2 of fixing Alliance Roulette.. lock the roulette so that unless you have all 3 raids unlocked for your level you can't que into it..
50 need all 3 crystal towers to que
60 need all Void Ark and below to que
And so on so that by lv90 you need to have unlocked all Alliance raids or the roulette is locked for you..

After that we can place a MSQ check on it.. might need to make it so players can't party with free trial for the roulette to stop the "ill just que with an alt to force tower" BS that was being spouted when the fix was announced.. if it gets to bad again guess we'll just have to make AR solo que only

lol, can you imagine? New players aren't able to take advantage of CT roulette because they can't possibly have it all unlocked, so the whole point of roulettes become well..pointless.

[Baxcel]

lol, can you imagine? New players aren't able to take advantage of CT roulette because they can't possibly have it all unlocked, so the whole point of roulettes become well..pointless.

Why wouldn't they be able to do crystal tower? It's required by story you have to be lv50 to do it and you do all 3 one after the other.. so they would have access to it an once they've done all 3 the roulette would unlock until they were lv60 at which point they'd need to unlock void ark chain..

How do you get that they couldn't do crystal tower from that?

[Boblawblah]

Why wouldn't they be able to do crystal tower? It's required by story you have to be lv50 to do it and you do all 3 one after the other.. so they would have access to it an once they've done all 3 the roulette would unlock until they were lv60 at which point they'd need to unlock void ark chain..

How do you get that they couldn't do crystal tower from that?

No, you're correct, my bad.

That said, I'm not convinced forcing everyone to unlock every raid would work. I know me personally, I'd simply stop doing the raid roulette. I have no interest in some of the raids, and never want to do them (Eden for one). If that means that I'm locked out of the roulette, that sucks, but I'll take that over having to do content I don't want to.

[Jojoya]

No, you're correct, my bad.

That said, I'm not convinced forcing everyone to unlock every raid would work. I know me personally, I'd simply stop doing the raid roulette. I have no interest in some of the raids, and never want to do them (Eden for one). If that means that I'm locked out of the roulette, that sucks, but I'll take that over having to do content I don't want to.

Forcing everyone to unlock every raid could even lead to a large number of players quitting the game. It's a situation where players start fearing the slippery slope has arrived. If they're going to make X content mandatory when it wasn't in the past, what will be next? Will everyone be forced to do EX trials? PvP? Variant dungeons?

Have too many pieces of mandatory content in what's regarded as a theme park MMO and players are driven away. It already holds back growth in the player population. Some interested in the game don't play because the MSQ is mandatory but they don't care about story, they just want to kill raid bosses. They're not going to pay extra money to avoid the mandatory requirements. If the MSQ wasn't mandatory, the game would have seen far more growth during the WoW exodus (though it's debatable how much would have been retained long term).

I still think making CT mandatory was a bad move, though unavoidable with the direction they decided to take G'raha Tia's story. I don't hate him as a character but I still haven't seen any compelling reason to necessitate him being a Scion instead of leaving him as he was on the First. But they did it with CT and now some players want them to do it with the rest of the Alliance raids for their convenience. What will SE do?

iLvl should be simply tied to MSQ progress (that also implies that you’ve reached the corresponding lvl on at least one job).

The problem with that is the player is then locked out of doing the roulette on other jobs they are leveling that are lower than their MSQ progress. Can't wear 175 gear on a level 53 job even when the player has completed the 3.3 MSQ.

[Toutatis]

The problem with that is the player is then locked out of doing the roulette on other jobs they are leveling that are lower than their MSQ progress. Can't wear 175 gear on a level 53 job even when the player has completed the 3.3 MSQ.

lol now I remember why I suggested a double check in my other posts. Check both lvl and MSQ progress and go for the lower of the two.

[Saraide]

Forcing everyone to unlock every raid could even lead to a large number of players quitting the game. It's a situation where players start fearing the slippery slope has arrived. If they're going to make X content mandatory when it wasn't in the past, what will be next? Will everyone be forced to do EX trials? PvP? Variant dungeons?

Have too many pieces of mandatory content in what's regarded as a theme park MMO and players are driven away. It already holds back growth in the player population. Some interested in the game don't play because the MSQ is mandatory but they don't care about story, they just want to kill raid bosses. They're not going to pay extra money to avoid the mandatory requirements. If the MSQ wasn't mandatory, the game would have seen far more growth during the WoW exodus (though it's debatable how much would have been retained long term).

I still think making CT mandatory was a bad move, though unavoidable with the direction they decided to take G'raha Tia's story. I don't hate him as a character but I still haven't seen any compelling reason to necessitate him being a Scion instead of leaving him as he was on the First. But they did it with CT and now some players want them to do it with the rest of the Alliance raids for their convenience. What will SE do?


The problem with that is the player is then locked out of doing the roulette on other jobs they are leveling that are lower than their MSQ progress. Can't wear 175 gear on a level 53 job even when the player has completed the 3.3 MSQ.

Curious use of the slipperly slope argument. Why do you think the next logical step is to make ex trials mandatory?

[Toutatis]

Guess it's time to start phase 2 of fixing Alliance Roulette.. lock the roulette so that unless you have all 3 raids unlocked for your level you can't que into it..
50 need all 3 crystal towers to que
60 need all Void Ark and below to que
And so on so that by lv90 you need to have unlocked all Alliance raids or the roulette is locked for you..

After that we can place a MSQ check on it.. might need to make it so players can't party with free trial for the roulette to stop the "ill just que with an alt to force tower" BS that was being spouted when the fix was announced.. if it gets to bad again guess we'll just have to make AR solo que only

Punishment isn’t the way to go. New players have a lot of content to complete before they can reach endgame and what you are asking takes a lot of extra time.

Also when buying a story skip (It’s also possible to buy an xp boost without a story skip), only MSQ is unlocked and it takes a while to unlock the rest of the content. Most players who buy that want to reach endgame first (though for me it was an alt char on an EU dc for pvp, Blue and deep dungeons with friends). Basic things such as retainers, glamours, chocobo battle, chocobo bag, aesthetician, extremes, all other raids are locked and require running all sorts of quests.

Quite frankly, I found it a bit discouraging at first. I slowly unlocked all possible raids until the end of ShB (except Nier 3 for health reasons) but it took me 2 months yet getting to lvl 90 only took 3 days and it’s not on even on a preferred world. I found myself locked out of roulette the week after I finished unlocking the raids. Doing the raid stories, waiting in queue (though that was not very long even back then, 20 mins at most, it adds up when it’s for all raids) and the raid themselves takes a lot of time.

It’s easy for veterans with one character to unlock a raid not even every six months or so and complain, it’s a lot more work for a new player or character to unlock everything. With the xbox players arriving soon and then Dawntrail, there’s going to be a lot of new players. Most of them will likely end up on preferred worlds too with a huge xp boost on top of other xp items and fc boost. Locking them out of roulette, and it’s even worse if they paid SE money to get a skip, isn’t the way to go.

iLvl should be simply tied to MSQ progress (that also implies that you’ve reached the corresponding lvl on at least one job).

For the rest, SE could provide incentives such as a mount or guaranteed minion for unlocking a raid series on top of making the questlines more easily identifiable (your map is filled with blue markers and nothing distinguishes AR quests). Some people don’t even k know there are ARs other than CT.