What's the point with that quite lackluster story in Endwalker?

[BaconBits]

Lil bro yapping about no evidence when the Ancients can just casually peer into the past with the echo.

[Vahlnir]

Thancred: G'raha Tia you are sorely mistaken. Hard shell tacos are superior.
Urianger: Verily, for one who was a city-state leader in his other life, thy knowledge of delectables is a shallow, misshapen inkwell.

G'raha Tia: Well, the Warrior of Light is on the way to back me up in my belief about soft shell being better! *takes a big sloppy bite out of his burrito that's falling apart* Besides, you two are absolutely knackered on the spirits of Tural, so you aren't thinking clearly!

Y'shtola: Oh, please. Have you all forgotten the real reason we're here? Would you really go this far for food? Allying yourselves with the Mamool Ja over tacos!

Alisaie: Oh, if only Alphinaud were here. He'd be the diplomat we need.

*Dawntrail starts for the player*

*warning prompt appears*

Warning Prompt: Choose between soft shell or hard shell tacos. CAUTION: Your choice will decide which group of Scions you adventure with, and this will greatly impact the narrative of Dawntrail!

[TheMightyMollusk]

Lil bro yapping about no evidence when the Ancients can just casually peer into the past with the echo.

Except they can't, and it's never been shown nor hinted they could. For one thing, the entire Elpis story never would've happened if Emet-Selch could've just read our past as soon as we arrived, and he's grouchy and suspicious enough that he would've done it.

[Nayukhuut]

Except they can't, and it's never been shown nor hinted they could. For one thing, the entire Elpis story never would've happened if Emet-Selch could've just read our past as soon as we arrived, and he's grouchy and suspicious enough that he would've done it.

Except they can. It is not something they did often because I assume they valued privacy, but it was Venat herself that taught us to channel our Echo ability in Elpis. Our abilities are all things that different Ancients could do naturally. We have them because we are broken versions of that race made into something new.

[Atelier-Bagur]

Except they can. It is not something they did often because I assume they valued privacy, but it was Venat herself that taught us to channel our Echo ability in Elpis. Our abilities are all things that different Ancients could do naturally. We have them because we are broken versions of that race made into something new.

Even then, this doesnt matter since we wind up explaining everything to the trio anyway.

[Nayukhuut]

Even then, this doesnt matter since we wind up explaining everything to the trio anyway.

Aye, I know, but it would have been helpful if Venat had been kind enough to actually share the danger that was coming with her own race. Sadly she seemed pretty dead set on "my way is the only way."

[TheMightyMollusk]

but it was Venat herself that taught us to channel our Echo ability in Elpis.

When did this happen? I'm looking through the journal, but as often happens lately it's rather unhelpful, and watching through all the cut scenes again will take time.

[Atelier-Bagur]

Aye, I know, but it would have been helpful if Venat had been kind enough to actually share the danger that was coming with her own race. Sadly she seemed pretty dead set on "my way is the only way."

They gave some acknowledgment to it after escaping Ktsis, she says this

"we cannot allow the report that set this calamity in motion to become common knowledge. Were the masses to learn the fates of the other stars, I fear the situation would spiral out of control"

And considering how the Ancients act and behave, it probably wouldnt have ended well. Whether this is a good reason or not is up to the player but then we wouldnt have a story if everything was just resolved lol

[Nayukhuut]

They gave some acknowledgment to it after escaping Ktsis, she says this

"we cannot allow the report that set this calamity in motion to become common knowledge. Were the masses to learn the fates of the other stars, I fear the situation would spiral out of control"

And considering how the Ancients act and behave, it probably wouldnt have ended well. Whether this is a good reason or not is up to the player but then we wouldnt have a story if everything was just resolved lol

She could have at least told the world's leaders. She knew as much about what was happening about the situation as Hermes did at the end, and Hermes wasn't the only person who knew about Dynamis. Instead she basically just decided to go with her plan and then got annoyed when people didn't take her on blind faith.

When did this happen? I'm looking through the journal, but as often happens lately it's rather unhelpful, and watching through all the cut scenes again will take time.

When you are looking into the past to see what happened with Hermes and Meteion. When he sends them off to go see the universe.

[BaconBits]

When did this happen? I'm looking through the journal, but as often happens lately it's rather unhelpful, and watching through all the cut scenes again will take time.

https://youtu.be/KG__QxV76GU?si=zss7ElNs74WLr8Zs

Here, it's in like the first 4 or so minutes where Venat instructs the WoL on the two methods of looking into the past with the Echo, one being looking into someone's soul as they're recalling a memory and the other utilizing ambient aether.

As for why grumpy old man Emet-Selch didn't immediately just read our soul the second he saw us or after we yapped exposition at him, I couldn't tell you. Maybe he thinks that would be rude, or maybe the writers didn't think about it.