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    Renathras's Avatar
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    Ren Thras
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    Famfrit
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    White Mage Lv 100
    Setting aside the obligatory "Why not just WHM"...who is this for again?

    I'm not sure if this is frustrated sarcasm or if you actually think this is appealing to the people you disagree with. If the latter, then I have to inform you (yet again?) you REALLY don't understand the position of people you disagree with. I would think by now you would having talked to me so much, but if this was a serious proposal, clearly you do not.

    If the former, then it's not helpful or constructive at all and I'll leave it in the bin where it belongs.

    EDIT:

    Ty, you aren't in the bargaining stage.

    If you were, I've already given you the answer to that: The 4 Healers Model. That's the bargain/compromise solution.
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    Last edited by Renathras; 10-08-2023 at 03:58 PM. Reason: Marked with EDIT

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    ForsakenRoe's Avatar
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    Samantha Redgrayve
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    Zodiark
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    Sage Lv 100
    Quote Originally Posted by Renathras View Post
    Setting aside the obligatory "Why not just WHM"...who is this for again?
    Setting aside the obligatory 'Why does it always have to be WHM?', especially when this is 'WHM but with even less room to 'do it wrong''

    Think you missed the forest for the trees, this conforms to the 4 healers model you are so adamant about. One job keeps the current gameplay healers 'enjoy', the others get to have more active/interesting (to some) gameplay and decisionmaking. The fact that the healer that gets to remain 'as is' does not currently exist is not a stipulation previously raised for your garbo model. There was even that argument about reworking CNJ into either upgrading to Druid (a job which retains the current level of simplicity/ease of use, so WHM could grow into something more complex), vs 'CNJ is given traits to make it (as a class) competitive in the endgame content'. This would mean a 5th class/job/spec whatever in the 4 healers model, but that was not the issue back then, it was the method by which the 5th classjobspec was implemented, not it's implementation at all that you took issues with

    Also, I note that there's a distinct lack of healing throughput for this proposed job. That is, if something like Styx or Harrowing Hell comes along, you're relying on the permanent regen effect, and a Medica copy. This means having to cast more healing spells to make up for the lack of OGCDs that other healers can 'supplement' their healing with, which means more overall GCDs are spent on healing as this job, compared to others. Thus, it also fulfills (kind of) the request that 'we should be using GCDs on healing more'

    I like the 5 stages of grief analogy. I think I'll just stay on 'Anger' and complain on the forums until the role doesn't make me want to commit Grade 4 Skybuilder's Rope (even if that does take the rest of the game's lifespan) thanks
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    Noah Orih
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    Faerie
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    Sage Lv 90
    Quote Originally Posted by Renathras View Post
    Ty, you aren't in the bargaining stage.

    If you were, I've already given you the answer to that: The 4 Healers Model. That's the bargain/compromise solution.
    Last I checked, "My way or the highway" isn't a compromise. For the record, your 4 Healers Model™ would more accurately be the 3 Healers Model™ because your proposal is that one healer must be sacrificed. It's the stance I and others have taken that is more accurately about respecting all 4 healers equally.
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