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    Why would I demand them all when that runs counter to how I think and what I believe?

    I've said from the start - and you know this - that I want there to be something for everyone to like. Even if it's not someone's "ideal world", something acceptable. It's why I said if WHM must be changed, I'm fine with SCH or AST or SGE, as long as at least one is something I can enjoy. I don't want them all. I don't even want any specific one.

    It's the same as my views about reworks and how I don't think people should be robbed of something they already enjoy by having it changed out from under them. It's why I have said for a while SCH and AST should get their SB mechanics back, since they shouldn't have been robbed of them in the first place.

    I've never buldozed over anyone. I've only ever tried for understanding and proposed compromise solutions, despite continued rejections and accusations to the contrary.

    Heck, the position you are holding right now? How you feel right now?

    That's how I've felt for a year arguing with you. Do you not remember me saying "Demand whatever it is you want from the others, just leave me one"?

    How you feel right now, what you're saying right now; I've been there. I've said the same thing. And there was no one caring or concerned about me nor reaching out a hand in kindness to me. So I'll be damned if I don't reach out one to you.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Renathras View Post
    Why would I demand them all when that runs counter to how I think and what I believe?
    When I described leaving White Mage alone and fixing the other three as leaving White Mage to be ruined, you redacted with, and I'm paraphrasing, "No, I'm trying to SAVE White Mage, and I'm letting you all ruin the other healers!" Or something to that effect. Which if true, why wouldn't you want to save more healers from us skill-ceilingists?

    Quote Originally Posted by Renathras View Post
    How you feel right now, what you're saying right now; I've been there. I've said the same thing. And there was no one caring or concerned about me nor reaching out a hand in kindness to me. So I'll be damned if I don't reach out one to you.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ty_taurus View Post
    When I described leaving White Mage alone and fixing the other three as leaving White Mage to be ruined, you redacted with, and I'm paraphrasing, "No, I'm trying to SAVE White Mage, and I'm letting you all ruin the other healers!" Or something to that effect. Which if true, why wouldn't you want to save more healers from us skill-ceilingists?
    Because I believe there is strength in diversity. Options. Choice.

    And I believe this game is big enough to have multiple options to satisfy different tastes.

    Note that I've never called it the "2 Healer Model"; all simple with only one deviating from that. It's always been "4 Healer Model"; that we have FOUR healers, so why not make them EACH different from the others to appeal to different playstyles and players, the better to ensure that everyone has at least one, and possibly more than one but at least one, that they can enjoy.

    Did you truly, in all the times I've said it, never understand this?
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    Do you...need something, man?

    I don't mean in this conversation. I mean more generally. Are you okay? I mean that genuinely.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Renathras View Post
    Do you...need something, man?

    I don't mean in this conversation. I mean more generally. Are you okay? I mean that genuinely.
    I've stopped caring so much about this game. It's done me no good, and it's clear no one from either the community management team or the development team cares whether or not I pour my heart into the game, so it's done them no good either. What I want is at best insignificant to them and at worst a blatant annoyance to them, so why should I care? Do what you want, man. Don't stop at wanting White Mage. Demand them all, just leave me Sage and we don't have to fight anymore. Demand whatever it is you want from the others.

    Bulldoze over those who argue against you. I'll just stand to the side and watch from now on.
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    I'm going to address the Sage discussions over on the supervillain thread since that's where I posted that updated take and have been discussing it there.

    EDIT: I'll get back to it later. My computer crashed while I was writing and I have things to do tonight.
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