Alliance Raid Now iLvl Locked, Why??

[DaichiSilurus]

You can queue for CT whenever you want with whatever gear you want.

And when you do that it will have the exact same impact on people queueing for alliance raid roulette as if you had ilvl cheesed. The exact same people you're saying shouldn't be doing the roulette WILL STILL PUT YOU IN LOW LEVEL RAIDS if they just queue them. It will have literally 0 effect on how often you get a particular raid.

Ilvl cheesers didn't want to do CT specifically for its own sake, they just wanted the roulette rewards in the fastest time possible. There is nobody here saying ilvl cheesing is good. There is nobody here saying go back to how it was. We are asking for a more specific solution that doesn't accidentally hurt players who just want to run the content they've reached in the story.

Your attitude seems to be that roulettes are only for endgame players to get some bonus tomes for doing Aglaia or whatever. Again, this is not what they are for. The rewards are there to make it so that endgame players queue and populate lower level content for players who are still working their way through the story. Preventing endgame players from forcing it to act a particular way for their own benefit is GOOD. Preventing players who are not yet and endgame from using it, through no fault of their own, is BAD.

It sounds like you'd rather have a level 90 player with level 90 MSQ and level 90 gear and no optional raids unlocked force you into CT than a level 90 player with level 73 MSQ and level 73 gear give you a chance to get Ivalice. You're mad at the wrong thing. You make that second player buy marketboard gear and they still can't get you into a level 90 raid.

Where does this end? If it's bad to queue a roulette when you can't do every duty in it are we now no longer allowed to use them to level up jobs?

[Snowfire]

And when you do that it will have the exact same impact on people queueing for alliance raid roulette as if you had ilvl cheesed. The exact same people you're saying shouldn't be doing the roulette WILL STILL PUT YOU IN LOW LEVEL RAIDS if they just queue them. It will have literally 0 effect on how often you get a particular raid.

Ilvl cheesers didn't want to do CT specifically for its own sake, they just wanted the roulette rewards in the fastest time possible. There is nobody here saying ilvl cheesing is good. There is nobody here saying go back to how it was. We are asking for a more specific solution that doesn't accidentally hurt players who just want to run the content they've reached in the story.

Your attitude seems to be that roulettes are only for endgame players to get some bonus tomes for doing Aglaia or whatever. Again, this is not what they are for. The rewards are there to make it so that endgame players queue and populate lower level content for players who are still working their way through the story. Preventing endgame players from forcing it to act a particular way for their own benefit is GOOD. Preventing players who are not yet and endgame from using it, through no fault of their own, is BAD.

It sounds like you'd rather have a level 90 player with level 90 MSQ and level 90 gear and no optional raids unlocked force you into CT than a level 90 player with level 73 MSQ and level 73 gear give you a chance to get Ivalice. You're mad at the wrong thing. You make that second player buy marketboard gear and they still can't get you into a level 90 raid.

Where does this end? If it's bad to queue a roulette when you can't do every duty in it are we now no longer allowed to use them to level up jobs?

If I never see CT again I would be happy. I don't mind doing it if someone is genuinely level 50 and is doing it for the first time. But the excuse that "it's the only alliance raid I've unlocked and I'm level 90" doesn't work for me. At that point you are either lazy or intentionally not unlocking them, either because you don't want to or because you decided to grind all the way to level 90 before finishing story content from 20 levels ago.

Either way, that's not our problem. Yeah, you might not be able to do alliance roulette for a couple weeks while you get that ilvl requirement, but the alternative where it's CT all the time is a lot worse.

Also your point is ringing kind of hollow when there was literally someone in here complaining about the change because they "couldn't force it to be CT anymore". I.e. "I can't cheese content and punish other people who may not want to do CT every single day anymore boo hoo". Forgive me if I am not wringing my hands over it.

[DaichiSilurus]

The game has always forced you to upgrade your gear to access certain content. If you never upgraded your starting gear you couldnt even get in the beginner dungeon. Should someone that wants to play through with just the starting gear complain about not getting in Sastasha?

I just want to address this point because I missed the comment earlier.

That's not a valid parallel to what's going on with the alliance raid roulette. People are not being asked to upgrade their gear to do NEW CONTENT. They are being asked to upgrade their gear to CONTINUE DOING THE SAME CONTENT THEY ALREADY HAD, exactly as well.

It's not like if you try to go into Sastasha at level 50 you need level 50 gear to do it. It's not like the raids a player already has available suddenly become harder when they hit level 70. It's not like queuing into Ivalice with level 90 gear gives you a meaningful improvement compared to having level 70 gear.

They're going to be synced down anyway, requiring better gear is pointless until they have higher level content to do with it.

[DaichiSilurus]

If I never see CT again I would be happy. I don't mind doing it if someone is genuinely level 50 and is doing it for the first time. But the excuse that "it's the only alliance raid I've unlocked and I'm level 90" doesn't work for me.

And if someone has finished the MSQ but is levelling a new job that's currently level 55? They're going to force you into CT, should they be barred from using the roulette because it's inconvenient for you?

[Snowfire]

And if someone has finished the MSQ but is levelling a new job that's currently level 55? They're going to force you into CT, should they be barred from using the roulette because it's inconvenient for you?

Please reread what I said.

I don't mind doing it if someone is genuinely level 50...

There is a difference between a level 55 character who can only do CT vs a level 90 character who CHOOSES to only do CT because they don't want to unlock the others.

[Erzaa]

Please reread what I said.



There is a difference between a level 55 character who can only do CT vs a level 90 character who CHOOSES to only do CT because they don't want to unlock the others.

And there's a difference still, for a character who overleveled to 90 who may still be at level 70+ MSQ content, but has all of the raids up to SB unlocked, who currently can't queue.

[AmorfaVex]

I just want to address this point because I missed the comment earlier.

That's not a valid parallel to what's going on with the alliance raid roulette. People are not being asked to upgrade their gear to do NEW CONTENT. They are being asked to upgrade their gear to CONTINUE DOING THE SAME CONTENT THEY ALREADY HAD, exactly as well.

It's not like if you try to go into Sastasha at level 50 you need level 50 gear to do it. It's not like the raids a player already has available suddenly become harder when they hit level 70. It's not like queuing into Ivalice with level 90 gear gives you a meaningful improvement compared to having level 70 gear.

They're going to be synced down anyway, requiring better gear is pointless until they have higher level content to do with it.

I understand that. But they make changes to the game every patch. Jobs have been changed dramatically at times.

The requirements changed, we all need to move along.

[PyurBlue]

I know this may shock you, but some of us want to actually be able to play ALL the alliance raids when we do ADR. We don't want ADR to be CTR, which is what it was before and caused people TO NOT GO INTO ADR AT ALL. Which is a PROBLEM.

This is meaningless deflection at this point. I am one of the people who avoided alliance specifically because of CT. I am still avoiding it since this change hasn't really done anything to address the problem and has in fact created more issues.

Suggestions have been made to solve the CT problem without a convoluted ilvl check. No one is asking to go back to endless rounds of CT. People are asking for a solution to the CT problem that actually makes sense.

I can't see any reason to harp on about roulette manipulators unless, for some reason, you're obsessed with getting revenge on them more than having a functional and enjoyable game. If a developer makes a mistake, people will probably request that the mistake is fixed. Why you'd want to defend the mistake and try to make the game worse is something I don't understand.

[Arkdra]

I just want to address this point because I missed the comment earlier.

That's not a valid parallel to what's going on with the alliance raid roulette. People are not being asked to upgrade their gear to do NEW CONTENT. They are being asked to upgrade their gear to CONTINUE DOING THE SAME CONTENT THEY ALREADY HAD, exactly as well.

It's not like if you try to go into Sastasha at level 50 you need level 50 gear to do it. It's not like the raids a player already has available suddenly become harder when they hit level 70. It's not like queuing into Ivalice with level 90 gear gives you a meaningful improvement compared to having level 70 gear.

They're going to be synced down anyway, requiring better gear is pointless until they have higher level content to do with it.

Sucks to suck, why are you 90 and not upgrading your gear? I realize the answer is because you aren't in level 90 content yet, but you're going to need to get that gear eventually regardless so just get it now. This is a non-problem.

[DaichiSilurus]

Please reread what I said.

Sure, here's what you said:

I don't mind doing it if someone is genuinely level 50 and is doing it for the first time.

There is a difference between a level 55 character who can only do CT vs a level 90 character who CHOOSES to only do CT because they don't want to unlock the others.

The way the game has been designed, up to this point, has placed just as much importance on your MSQ progress as it has on your current job level, if not more. You need to be at least the level of your MSQ progress, but if you're above it you don't unlock any actual content. With a few very minor exceptions (ARR dungeons, HW poetics vendor) you need to reach the end of an expansion before you're functionally treated as a max level character.

Throughout all the guides, new player videos, FAQ threads etc I've seen the same piece of advice time and time again when people talk about whether they need better gear because they levelled up higher, especially in the context of Road to 80 overlevelling players very easily; you gear for your MSQ progress, not your job level. You're going to be synced down in content, you're not going to be able to skip to unlock anything faster, etc. It can help if you want to unsync things, but that's it. That's the philosophy that has been designed around up until this point - both your MSQ progress and your job level (highest and current) are fundamental parts of your character progression, and your MSQ is arguably more important because it can't get ahead of your level.

So, let's look at multiple characters who cause a roulette to put you into CT. These are very simplified examples, of course. There are lots of possible combinations, and CT is the only thing that absolutely everyone is guaranteed to have unlocked.

[to be continued]