Alliance Raid Now iLvl Locked, Why??

[Melphina_Dragonfyre]

You are misunderstanding their situation.

They are not FAR ENOUGH IN THE STORY to unlock the other raids. They cannot queue for a roulette of their currently available content without acquiring gear from multiple expansions ahead of their MSQ progress. That's not cheesing. They aren't deliberately trying to avoid unlocking or queuing into anything. They physically cannot do it without completing multiple expansions worth of story. They just want to play the game at their own pace and will unlock the other raids when they reach them.

You're now advocating for disabling roulettes for anyone who hasn't met an entirely arbitrary threshold of advancing fast enough through the story.

Christ, this solution doesn't even stop a character that's level 90 and has finished the MSQ from just choosing to not unlock the raids! They're punished far less than someone who's just outlevelled the MSQ!

This man gets it. Everything in a nutshell. When I progress through shadowbringers I will unlock the factory raids. When I progress through endwalker I will unlock the aglagia raids. When I reach that point I WILL have the necessary Ilvl equipment for those raids because by that point in time I will have need of it. But I do not want to... and should not feel forced...to rush through two entire expansions worth of content just to queue up a roulette that I've always had access to. I've heard how amazing shadowbringers is. It's hyped up to be on the same level of greatness as heavenward. I'm looking forward to seeing it. I really am. And I will. But I'll do it a little at a time. I won't clear the whole thing in a week or even a month. There is nothing wrong with that. And the solution to the problem is a simple change to what the duty finder looks for when setting requirements. I'm not saying that CT cheesing is OK, nor that a fix was not necessary. What I am saying is that they made the wrong fix, and that if they implement it differently it would be perfectly fine. Many others in this thread have already echoed the same solution. How hard can that possibly be to change?

[Snowfire]

You are misunderstanding their situation, and entirely misrepresenting what I was referring to when I said "harmless fun".

They are not FAR ENOUGH IN THE STORY to unlock the other raids. They cannot queue for a roulette of their currently available content without acquiring gear from multiple expansions ahead of their MSQ progress. That's not cheesing. They aren't deliberately trying to avoid unlocking or queuing into anything. They physically cannot do higher level raids without completing multiple expansions worth of story. They just want to play the game at their own pace and will unlock the other raids when they reach them.

You're now advocating for disabling roulettes for anyone who hasn't met an entirely arbitrary threshold of advancing fast enough through the story.

Christ, this solution doesn't even stop a character that's level 90 and has finished the MSQ from just choosing to not unlock the raids! They're punished far less than someone who's just outlevelled the MSQ! Go after them and advocate making the raids mandatory to progress MSQ instead if you want to be this annoyed about literally anyone existing that can't queue into level 90 raids.

When you really get down to it roulettes don't actually exist to give endgame players rewards. They exist to ensure that all content at all levels and all amounts of story progress has a healthy amount of players, the rewards exist to incentivise endgame players to sometimes end up in lower level content. Deliberately reducing your ilvl to restrict the content that can pop in a roulette is bad, that behaviour needed to be prevented, but the roulettes literally exist to make sure that players who are still at an earlier point in the story get people to play with.


EDIT: I also just noticed you say "if you want CT just queue for CT" and, like... You do realise that's also just going to put people from alliance roulette into CT, right? How is that any better? I don't understand the thought process at all.

You being lazy and not unlocking all of the raids does not mean that the rest of us should be punished for it. It literally takes two seconds to unlock these alliance raids. I unlocked Thaleia for 6.5 in like 15-30 minutes.

It is also not our fault that someone is still in Stormblood MSQ when they are level 90. That's on them, not on us.

[Melphina_Dragonfyre]

You being lazy and not unlocking all of the raids does not mean that the rest of us should be punished for it. It literally takes two seconds to unlock these alliance raids. I unlocked Thaleia for 6.5 in like 15-30 minutes.

Are you..... honestly.... THAT ignorant? My god girl. Listen to what we are saying. My warrior is lvl 90 because I got so much experience doing the main story quest that I hit the level cap while I'm still progressing through stormblood content. I HAVE unlocked every raid available to me. I cannot unlock the factory because I cannot go to shadowbringers zones. I cannot unlock aglagia because I cannot go to endwalker zones. Are you even reading what I write?

[Erzaa]

You being lazy and not unlocking all of the raids does not mean that the rest of us should be punished for it. It literally takes two seconds to unlock these alliance raids. I unlocked Thaleia for 6.5 in like 15-30 minutes.

It is also not our fault that someone is still in Stormblood MSQ when they are level 90. That's on them, not on us.

How long does it take for someone who is currently in the Stormblood expansion to unlock Thaleia for 6.5?

Did you even read DaichiSilurus' response to you at all?

[Snowfire]

Are you..... honestly.... THAT ignorant? My god girl. Listen to what we are saying. My warrior is lvl 90 because I got so much experience doing the main story quest that I hit the level cap while I'm still progressing through stormblood content. I HAVE unlocked every raid available to me. I cannot unlock the factory because I cannot go to shadowbringers zones. I cannot unlock aglagia because I cannot go to endwalker zones. Are you even reading what I write?

And again, you being level 90 but still being in Stormblood MSQ is not our fault either. If that's the case, start grinding the MSQ. It should be a breeze for you if you are level 90.

[AmorfaVex]

This point has been brought up many times now and every time it is the people making it blind themselves to the response. The gil is not an issue. I mentioned that I spend a lot of time crafting and gathering. After several years it's a given that I can buy the Ilvl off the market board for my lvl 90 warrior. I could probably buy a hundred sets if I wanted. But I don't want to have to do that. It diminishes the value of the gear to me. I've always kept myself geared for my level, and that there is no other content that requires me to have gear 20 levels over my MSQ progression. So why should a roulette be any different?

It's a matter of principal, and to some of us that matters. I enjoy FF 14 for the immersion and storytelling. I queue alliance raids because I find them fun. I've unlocked every alliance raid available to me and I plan to unlock every raid in future content too. I never cheesed CT but I'm being punished for it now. I craft my own gear, and its trivial to just craft an extra set for personal use when I'm going through the achievement grind. The problem is some people just view gear as a means to an end, or the experience grind as "something you have to do to get to the fun stuff". That fun stuff is probably ultimates or extremes and trying to push world kill speed records. If that's what you enjoy that's perfectly valid and fine, but there is another group of people who enjoy different things. I enjoy the gathering classes becauase they take me around the overworld and I get to see the sights and appreciate the music and scenery in the different zones. Logging in the lush fields of Anyx trine versus mining the salt mines of gyr abania is a vastly different experience and each zone has a lore behind it. I appreciate these nuances in the zones, but to some I'm sure they just represent "a place to go to do a quest"



This is what it boils down to. Forcing someone to play a specific way in a game that's open ended, and up until now has never enforced those limitations is the heart of why people are disgruntled. It's a valid reason. Different people play games for different reasons, and no one way is better than the other.

That is your choice.

It is not that you are unable to play the content, you are choosing not to upgrade your gear.

The game has always forced you to upgrade your gear to access certain content. If you never upgraded your starting gear you couldnt even get in the beginner dungeon. Should someone that wants to play through with just the starting gear complain about not getting in Sastasha?

I know it wasnt always like this, but things change. Should they be forced to design a game to accommodate everyones choices? That would be impossible.

I respect your decision, but you can either adapt for the new situation, of forgoe the content.

The choice is yours.

[Snowfire]

How long does it take for someone who is currently in the Stormblood expansion to unlock Thaleia for 6.5?

Did you even read DaichiSilurus' response to you at all?

So the rest of us should be punished and only do low level alliance raids because someone decided to wait to do the Stormblood MSQ until now when they are level 90?

[DaichiSilurus]

You being lazy and not unlocking all of the raids does not mean that the rest of us should be punished for it. It literally takes two seconds to unlock these alliance raids. I unlocked Thaleia for 6.5 in like 15-30 minutes.

So the rest of us should be punished and only do low level alliance raids because someone decided to wait to do the Stormblood MSQ until now when they are level 90?

You yourself suggested in one of the posts I responded to that people queue directly for Crystal Tower if they have preference for playing it. That will put all the people in roulette into crystal tower just as surely as if someone entered the roulette while ineligible for all the other raids.

What's the difference, in your eyes, between doing that and doing the roulette when you haven't finished the story?

How does the level of the player entering the roulette matter in any way compared to their story progress?

How does the current solution in any way prevent a level 90 character who decides not to unlock the raids from 'punishing' people? Why are you attacking people who're just playing the game slowly and not suggesting that the devs make the raids mandatory?

And, again, you haven't addressed the purpose of roulettes. They exist to make sure people who haven't unlocked endgame content have the ability to run the content they have unlocked. If you want to do endgame raids why don't you queue them directly?

[Erzaa]

So the rest of us should be punished and only do low level alliance raids because someone decided to wait to do the Stormblood MSQ until now when they are level 90?

How would you be punished by SE adding additional checks to set player level at their current MSQ progress and highest alliance raid unlocked?

You do realise CT is the only raid that's required for the MSQ right? A level 90 player in Endwalker gear could only have CT unlocked, if they queue you're getting CT either way.

The player you're thumbing your nose up at, already said they've unlocked EVERY raid to their current MSQ progress, which means if they're allowed to queue they'll have CT, Void Ark and Ivalice.

Do you understand the issue we're complaining about? I don't feel you have a grasp on what the actual issue is.

[Snowfire]

You yourself suggested in one of the posts I responded to that people queue directly for Crystal Tower if they have preference for playing it. That will put all the people in roulette into crystal tower just as surely as if someone entered the roulette while ineligible for all the other raids.

What's the difference, in your eyes, between doing that and doing the roulette when you haven't finished the story?

You can queue for CT whenever you want with whatever gear you want. The change was to specifically make it so people couldn't unequip their gear to guarantee only one alliance raid.

I know this may shock you, but some of us want to actually be able to play ALL the alliance raids when we do ADR. We don't want ADR to be CTR, which is what it was before and caused people TO NOT GO INTO ADR AT ALL. Which is a PROBLEM.

Maybe what SqEnx did is not the absolute best solution, but it is better than it was before.