Alliance Raid Now iLvl Locked, Why??

[Snowfire]

I'm going to state it simply. I am mid-way through Stormblood. I started playing FFXIV less than a year ago. I like taking my time with the MSQ and most days all I want to do is a roulette or two, check on my retainers, hang out with my FC. I am on Dynamis so at some points I have seen 600%+ EXP buffs with the Road to 80. One MSQ roulette usually = 2+ levels gained, so you can level a job 50-60 in a week without even trying. I have levelled 11 of 19 jobs to 60 almost entirely via MSQ, tomestone events, and daily roulettes because I wanted to spread around some of that EXP. I only do MSQ on one job now because that alone is so much EXP. It's ridiculous. The point I am making is playing multiple jobs is completely insufficient to deal with overlevelling, it is not that simple so please stop saying it.

I have the level 50 & 60 alliance raids unlocked because that is what I have access to. I want to be able to do alliance raids with the jobs that I enjoy playing the most and am most comfortable with. I do not enjoy playing most of those 11 jobs I have levelled. And a lot of the time, queuing for the roulette is substantially faster than hard-queuing for individual raids. I enjoy alliance raids and want to play them more often, is that so strange?

I do not want to buy my level 90 jobs level 90 market board equipment because I do not *need* level 90 market board equipment. I have plenty of gil, that is not the problem. I entirely understand why the requirements have been introduced. It cannot be that hard to change the ilvl requirement to be based on the player's highest raid's level.

If I could have turned off Road to 80 when I finished ARR I completely would have, but now it feels like I'm being punished for simply being on Dynamis and not speedrunning the MSQ like a significant chunk of the replies on this thread seems to think you should. I hope someone from SquareEnix has more patience to read this thread than I do and appreciates what a disappointment this is for people who just want to have fun playing this game and aren't min-maxers or cheaters.

Who said you need to go buy level 90 gear? It's based on the bare minimum you need to do raids at level 90, which you pretty much have by the end of Endwalker just from playing the MSQ.

If you aren't level 90, you'll just get the alliance raids that are at your current level or lower. It's not a big deal.

Maybe I can clarify. If ALL your jobs are level 90, then you will need the minimum ilvl required to do level 90 for the Aglaia raid.

If you are doing the Alliance Roulette with a level 70 job, you will only need your ilvl to be the minimum for the Stormblood raids (Return to Ivalice). If you don't have Ivalice unlocked, it will do the other two (CT and the Sky Pirate ones). You can do the Alliance Roulette with whatever job and level you want. It will just make you equip your best gear for your job's current level.

[Seera1024]

Who said you need to go buy level 90 gear? It's based on the bare minimum you need to do raids at level 90, which you pretty much have by the end of Endwalker just from playing the MSQ.

If you aren't level 90, you'll just get the alliance raids that are at your current level or lower. It's not a big deal.

Maybe I can clarify. If ALL your jobs are level 90, then you will need the minimum ilvl required to do level 90 for the Aglaia raid.

If you are doing the Alliance Roulette with a level 70 job, you will only need your ilvl to be the minimum for the Stormblood raids (Return to Ivalice). If you don't have Ivalice unlocked, it will do the other two (CT and the Sky Pirate ones). You can do the Alliance Roulette with whatever job and level you want. It will just make you equip your best gear for your job's current level.

I think you've missed the point of their post.

They don't want to buy gear just to enter an roulette that will only have them enter content that requires gear of a much lower level.

And I can understand that. It greatly removes the value of the rewards of the MSQ and class quests afterwards if they already have something more powerful. Yes, they have the coin option instead, but I always like it more when I can increase my gear stats than when I choose the coin option.

I wish they had tied it to MSQ progression rather than level. Because you can't enter an expansion's alliance raid without completing it's MSQ first. Or locking to iLvl for highest one done - the roulette system can obviously check for that given Expert queue. The player who only has CT unlocked will always only generate CT raids regardless of what their gear's iLvl is. So no point forcing that player to get wear higher iLvl gear.

[Snowfire]

I think you've missed the point of their post.

They don't want to buy gear just to enter an roulette that will only have them enter content that requires gear of a much lower level.

And I can understand that. It greatly removes the value of the rewards of the MSQ and class quests afterwards if they already have something more powerful. Yes, they have the coin option instead, but I always like it more when I can increase my gear stats than when I choose the coin option.

I wish they had tied it to MSQ progression rather than level. Because you can't enter an expansion's alliance raid without completing it's MSQ first. Or locking to iLvl for highest one done - the roulette system can obviously check for that given Expert queue. The player who only has CT unlocked will always only generate CT raids regardless of what their gear's iLvl is. So no point forcing that player to get wear higher iLvl gear.

Show me in the patch notes where it said you need to be level 90 to do the Alliance roulette at all. That's not what it said.

If you're a level 50 job, you gotta have level 50 gear on to do the roulette.
If you're a level 60 job, you gotta have level 60 gear on to do the roulette.
If you're a level 70 job, you gotta have level 70 gear on to do the roulette.
If you're a level 80 job, you gotta have level 80 gear on to do the roulette.
If you're a level 90 job, you gotta have level 90 gear on to do the roulette.

Square Enix did not make it so you NEED to be level 90 to do the Alliance Roulette at all. That would be asinine.

The problem is people cheese the roulette to make sure they only get CT, which is not fair to the people who don't want to do CT all the time. So you have to make it ilvl and not something else. Yes, if someone only ever has CT unlocked, even at level 90, then it's gonna be CT. But the point is that people can't cheese it anymore, or forget to change their gear and make everyone else suffer because of it.

And again, it's based on the *bare minimum* ilvl required to do the first alliance raid at whatever level your job currently is. Which, if you are doing the MSQ, you are at when you finish the MSQ for that expansion. So no, you don't have to buy gear. No one is going to be level 90 with only level 60 gear and their level 60 gear is their best gear.

[anarchaeopteryx]

If you are doing the Alliance Roulette with a level 70 job, you will only need your ilvl to be the minimum for the Stormblood raids (Return to Ivalice). If you don't have Ivalice unlocked, it will do the other two (CT and the Sky Pirate ones). You can do the Alliance Roulette with whatever job and level you want. It will just make you equip your best gear for your job's current level.

That is exactly the problem. I do not want to equip the best gear for my job's current level because some of my jobs are currently at lv 90 and I am at MSQ lv 66 with CT and Dun Scaith/Mhach/Void Ark unlocked. I do not have access to the required level 90 armour except through market board or trading with other players. I do not have access to the 70/80/90 alliance raids. I cannot do those higher level raids with my higher level jobs because I cannot unlock them yet.

So as the system currently works, if I want to queue for the Alliance Roulette with my level 90 jobs with just CT and Mhach as options I have to buy and equip level 90 armour - just to be synced down to level 50 or 60 anyway. That's absurd. I *can* do the level 50/60 raids with my jobs that are under level 70, but I would *like* to be able to do them with my level 90 jobs as well. Also, just by doing an alliance raid roulette those level 50/60 jobs are liable to go up 2-3 levels per day so will *very* quickly become too overlevelled as well. When I hit max level on every job, we're back to square 1: buying unnecessarily high level equipment just to do this roulette. Makes no sense.

[Snowfire]

That is exactly the problem. I do not want to equip the best gear for my job's current level because some of my jobs are currently at lv 90 and I am at MSQ lv 66 with CT and Dun Scaith/Mhach/Void Ark unlocked. I do not have access to the required level 90 armour except through market board or trading with other players. I do not have access to the 70/80/90 alliance raids. I cannot do those higher level raids with my higher level jobs because I cannot unlock them yet.

So as the system currently works, if I want to queue for the Alliance Roulette with my level 90 jobs with just CT and Mhach as options I have to buy and equip level 90 armour - just to be synced down to level 50 or 60 anyway. That's absurd. I *can* do the level 50/60 raids with my jobs that are under level 70, but I would *like* to be able to do them with my level 90 jobs as well. Also, just by doing an alliance raid roulette those level 50/60 jobs are liable to go up 2-3 levels per day so will *very* quickly become too overlevelled as well. When I hit max level on every job, we're back to square 1: buying unnecessarily high level equipment just to do this roulette. Makes no sense.

So... you're upset that you can't cheese it anymore where you are guaranteed CT? The exact thing that pissed a lot of other people off because we were forced to do it because you wanted to cheese it?

I don't feel sorry for you in the slightest. If you are level 90, you should be entering the roulette with level 90 gear. Period. Cry more.

[Bonoki]

So... you're upset that you can't cheese it anymore where you are guaranteed CT? The exact thing that pissed a lot of other people off because we were forced to do it because you wanted to cheese it?

I don't feel sorry for you in the slightest. If you are level 90, you should be entering the roulette with level 90 gear. Period. Cry more.

I just dont queue up for the roulette. It's not even good for exp anyway. It's what people should be doing if they don't like the roulette is just not queue for it.

[Snowfire]

I just dont queue up for the roulette. It's not even good for exp anyway. It's what people should be doing if they don't like the roulette is just not queue for it.

Exactly. If people want to just do CT, they can queue for just CT without the roulette. That way you're guaranteed to get CT with people who WANTED to do it in the first place, and not people who were trying for MotR or the Nier raids and got CT for the 1000th time.

[DaichiSilurus]

So... you're upset that you can't cheese it anymore where you are guaranteed CT? The exact thing that pissed a lot of other people off because we were forced to do it because you wanted to cheese it?

I don't feel sorry for you in the slightest. If you are level 90, you should be entering the roulette with level 90 gear. Period. Cry more.

It's not "harmless fun" to force people who don't want to do CT to do CT every single day for their Alliance Roulette because you only feel like doing CT. It made people not want to do Alliance Roulette at all, because they knew that there was a 90 percent chance of getting CT due to cheesers or people who forgot to swap gear. It's not "harmless fun" to ruin the experience of other people because you feel like being lazy.

Again, if you want to do CT and only CT, just queue up for CT and don't do the Alliance Roulette (hell it's less rewarding now to do CT anyway so you'd be better of just doing CT without the roulette). But if you're level 90 with level 90 gear you should be willing to help other people do the other raids in the ADR.

You are misunderstanding their situation, and entirely misrepresenting what I was referring to when I said "harmless fun".

They are not FAR ENOUGH IN THE STORY to unlock the other raids. They cannot queue for a roulette of their currently available content without acquiring gear from multiple expansions ahead of their MSQ progress. That's not cheesing. They aren't deliberately trying to avoid unlocking or queuing into anything. They physically cannot do higher level raids without completing multiple expansions worth of story. They just want to play the game at their own pace and will unlock the other raids when they reach them.

You're now advocating for disabling roulettes for anyone who hasn't met an entirely arbitrary threshold of advancing fast enough through the story.

Christ, this solution doesn't even stop a character that's level 90 and has finished the MSQ from just choosing to not unlock the raids! They're punished far less than someone who's just outlevelled the MSQ! Go after them and advocate making the raids mandatory to progress MSQ instead if you want to be this annoyed about literally anyone existing that can't queue into level 90 raids.

When you really get down to it roulettes don't actually exist to give endgame players rewards. They exist to ensure that all content at all levels and all amounts of story progress has a healthy amount of players, the rewards exist to incentivise endgame players to sometimes end up in lower level content. Deliberately reducing your ilvl to restrict the content that can pop in a roulette is bad, that behaviour needed to be prevented, but the roulettes literally exist to make sure that players who are still at an earlier point in the story get people to play with.


EDIT: I also just noticed you say "if you want CT just queue for CT" and, like... You do realise that's also just going to put people from alliance roulette into CT, right? How is that any better? I don't understand the thought process at all.

[Snowfire]

You are misunderstanding their situation, and entirely misrepresenting what I was referring to when I said "harmless fun".

They are not FAR ENOUGH IN THE STORY to unlock the other raids. They cannot queue for a roulette of their currently available content without acquiring gear from multiple expansions ahead of their MSQ progress. That's not cheesing. They aren't deliberately trying to avoid unlocking or queuing into anything. They physically cannot do higher level raids without completing multiple expansions worth of story. They just want to play the game at their own pace and will unlock the other raids when they reach them.

You're now advocating for disabling roulettes for anyone who hasn't met an entirely arbitrary threshold of advancing fast enough through the story.

Christ, this solution doesn't even stop a character that's level 90 and has finished the MSQ from just choosing to not unlock the raids! They're punished far less than someone who's just outlevelled the MSQ! Go after them and advocate making the raids mandatory to progress MSQ instead if you want to be this annoyed about literally anyone existing that can't queue into level 90 raids.

When you really get down to it roulettes don't actually exist to give endgame players rewards. They exist to ensure that all content at all levels and all amounts of story progress has a healthy amount of players, the rewards exist to incentivise endgame players to sometimes end up in lower level content. Deliberately reducing your ilvl to restrict the content that can pop in a roulette is bad, that behaviour needed to be prevented, but the roulettes literally exist to make sure that players who are still at an earlier point in the story get people to play with.


EDIT: I also just noticed you say "if you want CT just queue for CT" and, like... You do realise that's also just going to put people from alliance roulette into CT, right? How is that any better? I don't understand the thought process at all.

You being lazy and not unlocking all of the raids does not mean that the rest of us should be punished for it. It literally takes two seconds to unlock these alliance raids. I unlocked Thaleia for 6.5 in like 15-30 minutes.

It is also not our fault that someone is still in Stormblood MSQ when they are level 90. That's on them, not on us.

[Erzaa]

You being lazy and not unlocking all of the raids does not mean that the rest of us should be punished for it. It literally takes two seconds to unlock these alliance raids. I unlocked Thaleia for 6.5 in like 15-30 minutes.

It is also not our fault that someone is still in Stormblood MSQ when they are level 90. That's on them, not on us.

How long does it take for someone who is currently in the Stormblood expansion to unlock Thaleia for 6.5?

Did you even read DaichiSilurus' response to you at all?