The Tragedy about Manderville vs Brilliant Relics

[Supersnow845]

1) ARR WAS too RNG grindy. Atma drop rates sucked, the books sucked. Both are actively loathed to this day 9 years later.
2) HW, certain steps did suck. Requiring 27000 poes for a single relic is insanity.
3) Eureak was grindy. The light grinds sucked and Pagos was the developers actively punishing us for not playing their "preferred" way in Anemos
4) Bozja was pointless because it was much more efficient to grind for your relic outside of the instance than inside of it due to Bozja Fate RNG vs 100% drop rate outside. Also, the proofs of mettle were largely irrelevant outside of the DPS ones and marginally the tank ones. Those two helped inside Bozja but the healing ones and tank ones were worthless inside the instances of DR and Castrum because 2 hits was an instant death. No amount of HP or healing changed taht.

Why is Bozja made pointless because of the relic being more efficient to do outside of Bozja, isn’t that the best case scenario for everyone including the people who whined they wanted a relic but didn’t want to do eureka

As for the valours I’m not really sure what the problem is there, they were totally optional and they required a long grind if you wanted them, the healing valours were probably the least useful but they still had their edge cases that made them worth getting, things like on 10/10/10 you can pretty effectively heal through profane because profane is only 70% down and with twice the healing output you really only suffer about 50% which is salvageable, healing valours also makes saviour a fantastic essence for support oriented tanks and DPS, hell you can hold agro as a tank on saviour with your stance off by sitting there and casting saviour cure 3 on 10/10/10, you generate near infinite agro that not even a stance tank can pull them off you

ARR I agree was too RNG with atma but I think the book steps were good in their time for keeping the endgame zones populated and keeping the dungeons involved, HW steps were a little excessive on patch but I do like the idea of a relic that grows alongside you over the course of a patch that strongly discourages grinding day 1 for it, eureka was eureka, pagos was a mess on launch, the current nerf is too extreme

[KitingGenbu]

Why is Bozja made pointless because of the relic being more efficient to do outside of Bozja, isn’t that the best case scenario for everyone including the people who whined they wanted a relic but didn’t want to do eureka

This is kind of the problem with many people who post on forums (I'm not talking about you, talking about people similar to who you responded to). People like that see choices at 'illusions' because they believe everyone floats towards efficiency in a video game. Some people like to play that way but the critical point though is not everyone does. Bozja does offer decent exp as well as cosmetics, so some people see all of that as a win together while working towards a single overall goal. That's the whole point of choice, to cater to as many people as possible, especially when it comes down to something entirely cosmetic at the end of the day.