A summary of healer issues

[Aravell]

Yikes, imagine having so little confidence with their change that they just choose not gather receptions for those changes.

I kept telling myself AST rework won't be a good one so I won't be as disappointed by the time it's here. But now I'm scared to even know what they will do to the job lol.

If SGE is any indication, I'd guess that they're going to turn AST into more of a WHM clone. Maybe they'll turn Earthly Star into Assize and other such changes. I don't expect the cards to get any better either, they seem to believe that this is what the players wanted. Guess we'll have to see what we get after the media tour.

EDIT: Thinking on it, I'm fairly sure they cut out all communication on job updates sometime during SB, because I'm fairly sure everyone could've told the dev team that ShB launch Sleeve Draw was not a good idea at all.

[ForsakenRoe]

EDIT: Thinking on it, I'm fairly sure they cut out all communication on job updates sometime during SB, because I'm fairly sure everyone could've told the dev team that ShB launch Sleeve Draw was not a good idea at all.

Might be misremembering, but I feel like the over-reaction to the WAR change of 4.2 had a massive hand in it. Theorycrafters back then thought it'd be a sizeable nerf to WAR because it would no longer align with every raidbuff window, only with 90s based things (so, only every 2nd Trick in the 'NIN DRG BRD MCH/SMN meta'). They seemingly forgot to factor in the fact that the burst window for the new WAR would be guaranteed Crit/DHit, as it turned out to be like 10% more damage, cementing WAR as 'locked slot level of strong' for the rest of the expansion. But the overreaction, the doomsaying, the 'wtf is wrong with you SE' that was going around at the time probably had a hand in SE saying 'ok sod it we just won't tell you what the changes are until the patch goes live'

Funny enough, said delay doesn't change anything. Whether the playerbase complains that a change is bad 3 days early when preliminary notes comes out, or during the maintenance when the finalized notes come out, neither matters in the grand scheme. Because by then it's too late for SE to change anything anyway. All it does is delay the 'wtf is wrong with SE they suck' comments by a few days, it doesn't stop them from happening

It would be nice if they would be open with us about job reworks in advance of the rework occurring, so that people could give feedback on the direction of it. If they showed us that they want to simplify AST even further, eg removing the delay on Star and turning it into 'remote detonation Assize', making the cards even more brain-off, etc. We could tell them, in advance, that 'this will bomb please go back to the drawing board'. But instead we're being asked, once again, 'please have faith in the people who put AST in the current state it's in, to be able to make it more fun again', and we are being kept in the dark on what that looks like. Is it any wonder that people are assuming it's like, so that the devs can do whatever idea they've scraped off the cutting room floor, without regard for how awful it actually is in practice, and once it's live it's 'too late to make big changes, we can only do potency tweaks sorry'?

[Aravell]

Might be misremembering, but I feel like the over-reaction to the WAR change of 4.2 had a massive hand in it.

Yeah, the WAR thing did contribute to it, I recall there being a lot of noise made about it.

It would be nice if they would be open with us about job reworks in advance of the rework occurring, so that people could give feedback on the direction of it. If they showed us that they want to simplify AST even further, eg removing the delay on Star and turning it into 'remote detonation Assize', making the cards even more brain-off, etc. We could tell them, in advance, that 'this will bomb please go back to the drawing board'. But instead we're being asked, once again, 'please have faith in the people who put AST in the current state it's in, to be able to make it more fun again', and we are being kept in the dark on what that looks like. Is it any wonder that people are assuming it's like, so that the devs can do whatever idea they've scraped off the cutting room floor, without regard for how awful it actually is in practice, and once it's live it's 'too late to make big changes, we can only do potency tweaks sorry'?

I honestly do think that they don't care how job changes are received anymore. If they cared even one bit, they'd have polled the playerbase when there was the massive backlash against the healer changes in ShB or even when they got massive backlash from the removal of Kaiten. I think at this point, they're just going full speed ahead with their vision, not caring whether or not it ends in a crash.

Alternatively, maybe the devs do care, but not a single bit of our feedback is being delivered to them, so they don't know that we're not happy. Neither is a good look, honestly.

[ASkellington]

Yeah, the WAR thing did contribute to it, I recall there being a lot of noise made about it.



I honestly do think that they don't care how job changes are received anymore. If they cared even one bit, they'd have polled the playerbase when there was the massive backlash against the healer changes in ShB or even when they got massive backlash from the removal of Kaiten. I think at this point, they're just going full speed ahead with their vision, not caring whether or not it ends in a crash.

Alternatively, maybe the devs do care, but not a single bit of our feedback is being delivered to them, so they don't know that we're not happy. Neither is a good look, honestly.

Nah the devs don't care and its obvious at this point.

SGE being a clone?
AST card rework no one asked for?
SCH losing ED for a second time (hello Shb) despite the fact that:

They refuse to increase healing requirements (making SCH sit on AF stacks for forever) so our healing kit is worth a damn.

They heard our feedback. Their responses were "we don't want new healers to have trouble with healing", "we don't want new healers to be stressed about extra dps", and "Go play Ultimate".

They. Do not. Care. Or they're lazy. Or both.

[Beddict]

I honestly do think that they don't care how job changes are received anymore. If they cared even one bit, they'd have polled the playerbase when there was the massive backlash against the healer changes in ShB or even when they got massive backlash from the removal of Kaiten. I think at this point, they're just going full speed ahead with their vision, not caring whether or not it ends in a crash.

Alternatively, maybe the devs do care, but not a single bit of our feedback is being delivered to them, so they don't know that we're not happy. Neither is a good look, honestly.

Regarding Kaiten in particular, it got addressed once. In the Patch Note reading for Patch 6.1 during maintenance, Yoshi-P said they had been reading feedback, asked the playerbase to see how it feels, and that he would make a followup. Guess what never fucking happened. For reference, here is the section from the FFXIV Translation Discord because it's pretty big and I don't wanna copy/paste it all:



He repeats himself a lot and waffles back and forth on whether or not it's the right thing to do, and the last thing he has to say in regards to the SAM and Crit changes is "submit feedback". Which means fuck all since feedback never gets addressed. He does his best to ignore Healer questions to the point where I'll be amazed if he answers any at the 7.0 Media Tour, Kaiten has been completely swept under the fucking rug, and not a peep about the two minute meta. I dunno, it's always the same bullshit. SE announces they'll be doing something phenomenally stupid that will fuck with a Job, the playerbase gets pissed, Yoshi-P cries on stream and asks the players to try it out and give feedback, and then the topic is ignored until the next outrage. They rarely walk back on these kinds of changes, and SCH getting Energy Drain back is a massive outlier. I just go into Live Letters expecting nothing.

[Sebazy]

If SGE is any indication, I'd guess that they're going to turn AST into more of a WHM clone. Maybe they'll turn Earthly Star into Assize and other such changes. I don't expect the cards to get any better either, they seem to believe that this is what the players wanted. Guess we'll have to see what we get after the media tour.

That's pretty much my greatest fear yeah.