Should the devs appologise to the community

[Theodric]

Uh, didn't think I had to spell it out, but I was just shit posting.

Fair enough though there's multiple posters around these parts who regularly imply similar things in all seriousness.

How do you know they didn't expect that Variant/Criterion and Deep Dungeon and Island Sanctuary would provide that staying power? That's my problem with the way you're putting this. You're putting intent on the developers when you have no proof of what their intent or thinking was. The choice they made was not having an exploratory zone. That doesn't immediately mean they weren't trying to give players something that would last.

You can have whatever 'problem' with my post as you like. I've explained my reasoning multiple times now and you're simply moving the goalposts after I called out your attempt to try and negate the context of my initial post and frame it as something completely different.

You're no longer discussing my initial post and seem to simply be trying to further obscure my intent with unrelated elements that neither of us can possibly prove one way or the other.

That being said, given that they're in charge of the game if they truly believed that the current offerings in Endwalker would be enough 'staying power' then I think that'd be rather worrying. They've also deliberately gone out of their way to make every relic weapon step revolve around tomestones with no attempt to tie it to any of the new content.

[DiaDeem]

Fair enough though there's multiple posters around these parts who regularly imply similar things in all seriousness.

Oh no, I get that. But read OP's post and then go back to mine lol

All jokes aside, I don't think any apology is really needed. I just want them to talk to us. I've filled 4 feedback surveys for Star Rail during the sixish months I've been playing. I've filled one survey for XIV in 10 years of playing, and it was the 10 year anniversary thingy they made. They should be sending surveys every patch. But an apology? I find that a bit silly, thus my shit post.

[TaleraRistain]

You're no longer discussing my initial post and seem to simply be trying to further obscure my intent with unrelated elements that neither of us can possibly prove one way or the other.

That being said, given that they're in charge of the game if they truly believed that the current offerings in Endwalker would be enough 'staying power' then I think that'd be rather worrying. They've also deliberately gone out of their way to make every relic weapon step revolve around tomestones with no attempt to tie it to any of the new content.

Now who's moving the goalposts? Where would they have any data that something wouldn't jive with the playerbase unless they put it out there and got feedback and participation numbers on it? These forums cry every day about how 4 man content needs to be harder. What would tell the developers that Criterion would be so badly received when that's a constant request from the community? In one of the recent interviews where Eureka was mentioned, I got the impression they didn't think was going to be nearly as divisive as it was.

And I don't like tomes for relics but they're doing what they've always done. You had ARR and people didn't fully like that. They tweaked it some for HW. They completely changed the format for SB. They tweaked it some again for ShB. And now they've massively changed the format again. They don't know until they release something how it's going to be reacted to.

And as you said in the first part of what I quoted, neither of us can prove their intent with things one way or another. But only one of us keeps accusing them of deliberately leaving things out instead of trying new things like they've always done.

[Theodric]

Now who's moving the goalposts? Where would they have any data that something wouldn't jive with the playerbase unless they put it out there and got feedback and participation numbers on it? These forums cry every day about how 4 man content needs to be harder. What would tell the developers that Criterion would be so badly received when that's a constant request from the community? In one of the recent interviews where Eureka was mentioned, I got the impression they didn't think was going to be nearly as divisive as it was.

And I don't like tomes for relics but they're doing what they've always done. You had ARR and people didn't fully like that. They tweaked it some for HW. They completely changed the format for SB. They tweaked it some again for ShB. And now they've massively changed the format again. They don't know until they release something how it's going to be reacted to.

And as you said in the first part of what I quoted, neither of us can prove their intent with things one way or another. But only one of us keeps accusing them of deliberately leaving things out instead of trying new things like they've always done.

I'm not moving the goalposts. Once again, you're implying that I claimed intent on behalf of the development team. I did not. You took a post of mine - in response to another poster attempting to brush off concerns about the lack of content with staying power - and attempted to portray it as something completely different.

The back and forth since has involved you attempting to lead the 'discussion' in a completely different direction altogether.

It doesn't hugely matter to me what they did or did not intend. What matters to me is that Endwalker is woefully lacking in terms of content with staying power, the development team are doubling down on content without staying power in the expansion's patch cycle and the vast majority of people I play the game with are either taking a break or have quit altogether due to having very little to engage with compared to previous expansions.

[aveyond-dreams]

That being said, given that they're in charge of the game if they truly believed that the current offerings in Endwalker would be enough 'staying power' then I think that'd be rather worrying. They've also deliberately gone out of their way to make every relic weapon step revolve around tomestones with no attempt to tie it to any of the new content.

This is what happens when the target audience shifts from Final Fantasy fans and mmorpg players to people who actually care about adventurer plates and sit in venues all day. How could they possibly be burdened with the thought of having to invest time in battle content when they can entertain themselves for hours on end by treating the game as a chat lobby?

[IkaraGreydancer]

This is what happens when the target audience shifts from Final Fantasy fans and mmorpg players to people who actually care about adventurer plates and sit in venues all day. How could they possibly be burdened with the thought of having to invest time in battle content when they can entertain themselves for hours on end by treating the game as a chat lobby?

Such close minded logic. Yeah because apparently FF/MMO fans can't care about ROLE PLAYING in an MMORPG...
Do you think before you type? Role Playing is quite literally part of the package and folks focusing on that are no lesser than folks who focus on battle content.

[Stormpeaks]

This is what happens when the target audience shifts from Final Fantasy fans and mmorpg players to people who actually care about adventurer plates and sit in venues all day. How could they possibly be burdened with the thought of having to invest time in battle content when they can entertain themselves for hours on end by treating the game as a chat lobby?

Always makes me laugh when instead of blaming the company, you blame people creating their own content by going to venues or just using the game as a social/hangout simulator

Protip : People going to venues doesnt mean SE shouldnt be creating content for those that want it, if they say that to any extent, then it's them using venue goers or people using it for the social aspect as a scapegoat from responsibilities because they just dont want to create proper content so they'd rather put the blame on the playerbase for creating its own content

[Carin-Eri]

This is what happens when the target audience shifts from Final Fantasy fans and mmorpg players to people who actually care about adventurer plates and sit in venues all day. How could they possibly be burdened with the thought of having to invest time in battle content when they can entertain themselves for hours on end by treating the game as a chat lobby?

So... those players are having fun wrong?

I don't think it works like that, personally.

[Snorky]

So... those players are having fun wrong?

I don't think it works like that, personally.

Right?! OMG people are having fun making their own venue. I know lots of people who just go to listen to music on a twitch channel and have their characters dancing and chatting with friends. How is that bad? They may not be participating in battle content at that moment but so what? How is that bad? It's no worse then FC organizing events for their FC's. Some people just want to control what others do with their time. I don't get it.