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  1. #381
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    Gear Swapping is common in RPGs.
    Not really. In most RPGs, both offline and online, it is usually impossible to change gears mid-fight. At most, a player may be able to swap out weapons, but not change entire sets of gear mid-fight.

    FFXI was the stark exception to this rule, as players could change gears at any time, which led to massive min-maxing.
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    Gear swapping is possible ingame, if you only want to switch your gear and not your class/job during a fight

    /battlemode off
    /[insert your gear swapping macro here]
    /battlemode on

    of course your party members kill the enemy before your gear swapping is finished, but this is another story.
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  3. #383
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    Quote Originally Posted by Keyln View Post
    Not really. In most RPGs, both offline and online, it is usually impossible to change gears mid-fight. At most, a player may be able to swap out weapons, but not change entire sets of gear mid-fight.

    FFXI was the stark exception to this rule, as players could change gears at any time, which led to massive min-maxing.
    Alot of times you were hit with some sort of penalty too. Like with turn based RPG's most of the time you lost a turn on that character.
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  4. #384
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    The way I see it, what they should do now is reintroduce that gear-change penalty that seems to have gone away or simply make it impossible to change gear when you are considered in-battle similar to how the teleports/returns are.

    That way, DoW players aren't tempted any further by the DoMs that are practicing such gear-swaps.
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  5. #385
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ruri View Post
    . I just state the facts and people don't like it sometimes.
    That is the definition of a douchbag...fyi...

    ie: ppl who are NOT douchbags use, manners, conversation, constructive critisim (sp?), and praise , they praise A lot of good behavior....in order to communicate rather than just stating the FACTS .....which btw you should know that FACTS don't exist....

    René Descartes look it up...

    anyhow on topic....

    If ppl want to gear swap to make a dull game more exciting then hey go ahead what do I care.....just don't bark at me if I donlt do it....

    Why? Am I lazy...yep....

    Is it too much trouble to carry all that gear...yep

    Do I give a crap about the fact that I can heal for .0009 more hp if I swap hats before I cast cure.....nope...

    Lets get real, the truth is gear swapping in ANY game (fyi there are only like 4 games that even allow it) has very marginal benefit that is some ppl's opinion isn't worth the hassel.

    If in your opinon it is worth the hassel, then fine do it, but if you think I SHOULD do it then you have crossed into D-bag land...
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    Last edited by JakeRoon; 04-13-2012 at 06:17 AM.

  6. #386
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    Quote Originally Posted by JakeRoon View Post
    That is the definition of a douchbag...fyi...

    ie: ppl who are NOT douchbags use, manners, conversation, constructive critisim (sp?), and praise , they praise A lot of good behavior....in order to communicate rather than just stating the FACTS .....which btw you should know that FACTS don't exist....

    René Descartes look it up...

    anyhow on topic....

    If ppl want to gear swap to make a dull game more exciting then hey go ahead what do I care.....just don't bark at me if I donlt do it....

    Why? Am I lazy...yep....

    Is it too much trouble to carry all that gear...yep

    Do I give a crap about the fact that I can heal for .0009 more hp if I swap hats before I cast cure.....nope...

    Lets get real, the truth is gear swapping in ANY game (fyi there are only like 4 games that even allow it) has very marginal benefit that is some ppl's opinion isn't worth the hassel.

    If in your opinon it is worth the hassel, then fine do it, but if you think I SHOULD do it then you have crossed into D-bag land...
    Descartes came to an incomplete conclusion, IMO. My laptop doesn't think, yet it very much does exist or you would not be reading this post. The only way one can prove to themselves that they exist is through thought, I will agree with him there. While Descartes conducted a very interesting thought experiment indeed, his conclusions are chock full of circular logic that doesn't add up as soon as it is analyzed objectively.

    I bet you weren't expecting that answer were you Jake. :P
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    Last edited by Molly_Millions; 04-13-2012 at 06:27 AM.

  7. #387
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    am I reading your post? Do I even exist, or is this all in your mind....clearly you fail to grasp the concept he was discussing :P

    but to be fair it's a pretty tough concept.

    And, actually that is the response I always get to any application of René Descartes lol......

    it goes like this

    "hey , nothing exists....it's all in your head."

    "Oh yes it does, because I am talking to you duh!"

    "Are you? or am I just all in your head?"

    "UhhhHHhhh, leave me alone Jake! you are weird!"

    "Am I ? Or are YOU weird because I am just a figment of your psyche? "

    Anyhow....

    I feel like gear swapping should be replaCES with a more fun dynamic BATTLE system that does not need gear swapping , you know?
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  8. #388
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    It isn't a tough concept. It isn't even complex. To respond to a comment about Descartes' circular logic musings, some of which make sense when applied in some measure, you used circular logic for a response..... I think you totally just verified what Molly said. That pains me as I'm usually at odds with Molly.
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  9. #389
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    Quote Originally Posted by illriginalized View Post
    Gear Swapping is common in RPGs.

    I need a logically sound argument as to why you do not want gear swapping.

    Someone said, "it promotes elitism".

    I say gear swapping is beneficial for SE, the worlds' economies, and game play.


    BTW Mages can gear swap, melee can't. You have a flaw SE. Fix it and give us gear swapping in ACTIVE mode.
    Shush you.
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  10. #390
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    Quote Originally Posted by JakeRoon View Post
    am I reading your post? Do I even exist, or is this all in your mind....clearly you fail to grasp the concept he was discussing :P

    but to be fair it's a pretty tough concept.

    And, actually that is the response I always get to any application of René Descartes lol......

    it goes like this

    "hey , nothing exists....it's all in your head."

    "Oh yes it does, because I am talking to you duh!"

    "Are you? or am I just all in your head?"

    "UhhhHHhhh, leave me alone Jake! you are weird!"

    "Am I ? Or are YOU weird because I am just a figment of your psyche? "

    Anyhow....

    I feel like gear swapping should be replaCES with a more fun dynamic BATTLE system that does not need gear swapping , you know?
    Kinda like what you perceive as normal may be entirely different from what I perceive as normal, so it ends up all being a matter of context?
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