Legitimate reasons why many of you do NOT like Gear Swapping

[Peptaru]

This is a cop-out.

Just because people outperform you, they are douchebags?

I am not one to say anything deragatory to anyone regarding my successes. But I play to be better than the rest, and instantly I'm labaled a "douchebag" because I'm above you in terms on overall successes in a game?

That's just silly.

Being better than people doesn't make you a douchebag. Statements that make you come across as a douchebag make you a douchebag. See above. "But I play to be better than the rest" "I'm above you in terms on overall successes in a game"

People call people douches for acting like douches. Not because they have more stuff.

Gear swapping is not needed. Its part of your strategy to find the best gear set for the content you are attetmpting. It at least would add some kind of dynamics to this game.

[illriginalized]

I don't play games to be better than anyone, I disagree so strongly with people who play for that reason that i'd punch them through the intraweb if i could.

I'm fine withOUT gear swapping, just make it so mages can't either. If you have any enmity, you can't swap. That'd be fine.

There is a distinct line between a winning player and an elitist. It's called douchebaggery.

Exactly this. So gear swapping a common essential of majority RPGs in itself does NOT promote elitism. That's an attitude problem.


Gear swapping has nothing to do with being better than another player. Gear swapping is about having essential stats on the fly, switching back and forth for abilities/actions, defense, evasion etc.. This will only help build a player.. vs mobs in game..

But then again nothing should stop anyone from having different gear sets.. especially not gil.. the easiest thing in game to obtain, mind you.

It has nothing to do with making a player better than another, fact. If that's what you think, then you experienced someone with a self centered attitude, plain and simple. Unless we had PvP.. then maybe just maybe I could agree with you. But still sometimes stats doesn't mean crap vs someone with lesser stats AND skill.

It's a hassle plain and simple. Why add something that would be cumbersome, why not ask for a feature that would have the same benefits without the annoyance of swapping out gear? It's just one more button to push, step to go over that doesn't need to be around and should not be encouraged from a development point of view. Please think of something more creative and/or seamless.

This is not my style of play as I'm very casual so excuse the ignorance but should not the materia system help with this?

So you just want a less exciting game? Maybe arthritis? Maybe lethargic? You're telling me it's too much work to buy different sets of gears for different stats that are used depending on situations, and that it's too much work to create new macros for gears to be swapped during these situations, and that it's too much work to press another button to execute a macro that will gear swap..

This line of thinking is going to kill this game. You want a casual game for casual players, go play scrabble. Seriously.. I think there's more action in FF7... more action than a lethargic person can handle apparently.

[Kiroh]

This is a cop-out.

Just because people outperform you, they are douchebags?

I am not one to say anything deragatory to anyone regarding my successes. But I play to be better than the rest, and instantly I'm labaled a "douchebag" because I'm above you in terms on overall successes in a game?

That's just silly.

No, you would be a douchebag when/if you decide that you're so awesome you have the right to tell other people how much they suck and how you're so much better than them.

Being a better player doesn't make you elitist, being a self-righteous asshole does.

[Ruri]

This is a cop-out.

Just because people outperform you, they are douchebags?

I am not one to say anything deragatory to anyone regarding my successes. But I play to be better than the rest, and instantly I'm labaled a "douchebag" because I'm above you in terms on overall successes in a game?

That's just silly.

Agree / had this same problem with people thinking I'm a douchebag, which I'm not. I just state the facts and people don't like it sometimes.

[ThePatriarch]

Being better than people doesn't make you a douchebag. Statements that make you come across as a douchebag make you a douchebag. See above. "But I play to be better than the rest" "I'm above you in terms on overall successes in a game"

People call people douches for acting like douches. Not because they have more stuff.

Gear swapping is not needed. Its part of your strategy to find the best gear set for the content you are attetmpting. It at least would add some kind of dynamics to this game.

Bolded your last couple sentences there.

I guess that puts me in the status of Douchebaggery then. My kind is a dying breed it seems. I like playing games for the competition aspect. The fight to stay at the top, and work at bettering myself and those in my company.

It's so very discourage watching the MMO industry turning into an amusement park for casual players who just want to hang out online with minimal to no competition between players.

[Xoo]

This is a cop-out.

Just because people outperform you, they are douchebags?

I am not one to say anything deragatory to anyone regarding my successes. But I play to be better than the rest, and instantly I'm labaled a "douchebag" because I'm above you in terms on overall successes in a game?

That's just silly.

Hold on there, killer.

I don't know you from Adam, so I can't say exactly what you are to me. Would you define yourself as an elitist, or just a good player?

EDIT: Makes you a douchebag. Is this you?

[ThePatriarch]

Hold on there, killer.

I don't know you from Adam, so I can't say exactly what you are to me. Would you define yourself as an elitist, or just a good player?

I would describe myself as a mediocre player in FFXIV, at best. I haven't even beaten Moogle.

[Peptaru]

Thank you for bolding them, as that is the important part of my post. Choosing the appropriate gear for a long fight/long dungeon/whatever and being unable to swap adds dynamics. That is why even on mage it is rare that I change gear. (usually only before a boss) It never even crosses my mind on DPS as I haven't taken the time to make gear sets based on Dlvl of what I'm fighting yet.

Gear you put on at the start should be an important decision. Could you picture your character stopping mid-fight like "Hold on a sec, I gotta change my shirt, pants, shoes, staff before I'm ready to take my next action!" Yes, I was a gear-whore in XI, i swapped for every single macro I had. This game does fine without it.

[Lux_Rayna]

Gear Swapping is common in RPGs.

I need a logically sound argument as to why you do not want gear swapping.

1) It looks ugly. Charactesr disappear every time they swap gear, I dont not want to blink in and out of reality the entire time I'm fighting. Not visually attractive.

2) Its overburdensome on inventory. We are getting a reduced amount of inventory spaces too, I can't have most of it taken up with gear. Sounds like a nightmare.

3) Its a balancing nightmare. As a dev, if you have gear swapping, how are you going to balance the content? Around a set of gear? Around Gear Swapping? Deciding a difficulty curve is pretty much a dice roll.

4) It alienates casual players, which eats away at a lot of profits. Once you have gear swapping, gear swapping becomes law. No gear swap no group. Oh you dont have 3 different sets as a tank? Too bad gtfo. Does the casual person have time to amass 3 sets of gear, all melded and ready to go? No. Do casuals mean more money? Yes. Therefore it is a bad idea to alienate casuals.

5) A game that is gear dependent is a bad game imo. If everything is dependent on gear (as in all problems are fixed with a gear swap), then it removes whatever challenge the game might have had if you could only use one set of gear. Unless they, of course, raise the difficulty curve...but in that case gear swapping woudl become a necessity, and casuals would be alienated. That is bad.


There are plenty of reasons for not employing gear swapping. It is a potential party nightmare..where everyone is required to have 6 sets of gear and multiple class/jobs maxed before they are even allowed to participate in group content. That kinda atmosphere is destructive to a game's health and longevity, turning away everyone but the hardcore few. The hardcore few cannot keep a game afloat, nor can they keep SE's investors happy.

[Xoo]

I would describe myself as a mediocre player in FFXIV, at best. I haven't even beaten Moogle.

Well, I apologize for whatever misunderstanding there was. Since I see you're competitive, which is a different category in itself, and one I definitely fall in line with, I guess we're on common grounds!