Criterion Dungeon Interview

[Bonoki]

Maybe I'm reading into it, but Criterion Savage looks like it was meant to be on Savage difficulty, maybe above it before Ultimate; but as a very unrewarding one and done, just for fun; not repeatable type of content. Do I like this? Absolutely not. Just based off the evidence we have, trying to understand the devs PoV, it just feels like how things have turned out. Hopefully feedback will change that.

[Lyth]

Making Criterion nonlinear won't necessarily make it more interesting, because everyone is going to just pick the most efficient boss farm route and ignore the rest, making it effectively linear. What you could do is offer players the opportunity to titrate up the difficulty on individual fights based off of their actions.

As an example, perhaps closing the sword lid in Criterion unlocks a challenge mode on Moko that you can do for an achievement/title, and those mechanics automatically make their way into Savage Criterion. I think there needs to be a bigger jump between these two settings anyways (in addition to better cosmetic rewards).

The other alternative is to have boss-specific drops in Criterion while keeping the core Variant design, such that you navigate a route to get to the drops that you want. You'd ideally need to be able to retrace your steps though, so that you could do a full clear of all routes in a run if you wanted. If this was tied to a weekly drop system, it could work as an alternative gearing pathway. I don't think the current audience for this content needs the gear, though.

[Canadane]

Yep, criterion and variant are pretty much one and done for now. No sense in doing it repeatedly until there's some incentive to do it.

Well Variant is 10 and done, right?

[Swordsman]

Well Variant is 10 and done, right?

Yeah that's correct. However many branches that need to be done to complete one full run of the variant dungeon.

[NekoMataMata]

Yeah that's correct. However many branches that need to be done to complete one full run of the variant dungeon.

10 and done assuming you don't mess up any of the choices and that gives you the achievement for the regular mount.

But also could go above 10 if you're a minion hunter as the chests in crit have a chance to drop various minions or if you're hunting TT cards.


Meanwhile, Crit only has one mount that's not even as good as the one you can get from variant.

[Swordsman]

10 and done assuming you don't mess up any of the choices and that gives you the achievement for the regular mount.

But also could go above 10 if you're a minion hunter as the chests in crit have a chance to drop various minions or if you're hunting TT cards.


Meanwhile, Crit only has one mount that's not even as good as the one you can get from variant.

Sure, if people are into that I'd say go for it. I was really hoping that variant and criterion would provide an alternate method of gearing up, so I left it alone after one run through.

[NekoMataMata]

Sure, if people are into that I'd say go for it. I was really hoping that variant and criterion would provide an alternate method of gearing up, so I left it alone after one run through.

The only point of gearing for v/c is really to help future v/c runs. The ilvl requirement for ronkan is the same as p12s. You can reach that with crafted obviously, but you can't make any improvements.

Gear alone won't create lasting content though, which is an issue for content that can't be unsynced. It'll basically end up as FOMO content with gear. It needs more than that with how it's designed.

[Swordsman]

The only point of gearing for v/c is really to help future v/c runs.

What an awful idea. I wonder who at SE thought of that...

Gear alone won't create lasting content though, which is an issue for content that can't be unsynced.

True, but it would at least give some people more incentive to do it more than once.

[Maltothoris]

So there was another interview regarding criterion released but itnhas a lot of their info as well plus it has only been released in Japanese so far so gonna wait til it’s been more clearly translated but they did say that they are looking into the rewards.