Criterion Dungeon Interview

[Maltothoris]

So we just got a little interview about Variant and Criterion recently here

https://www.inverse.com/gaming/ffxiv...eons-interview

Of course the biggest thing to take notice of is

That said, the difficulty of Criterion Dungeons is comparable to an eight-player Savage raid, if not harder, so there were also comments that felt the current rewards aren’t motivating enough to attempt the content.

The rewards need to be determined very carefully in relation to rewards for other content, but we will continue deliberating on the idea to satisfy as many players as possible.

So they are aware that rewards are lacking but its sadly is going to take some time for that to change.

[Supersnow845]

Square are so terrified of upending the current balance of the gearing system they haven’t stopped and realised that power in this game is worthless and almost nobody cares about it

Put BIS in criterion; literally nobody would think it’s a negative

[Noumenon]

power in this game is worthless and almost nobody cares about it

I don't know why you keep trying to ask for SE to focus on attaching good rewards to content you personally enjoy or to try to "fix" power progression.

How about they make the content actually fun? Nearly everyone I know who run DRS regularly are in it only for the fun, since there is next to no relevant rewards attached to it after the first clear (who cares about BiS in Bozja?). Nearly everyone I know who run Criterion, on the other hand, only finds it fun enough in the moment but no one actually wants to go back in even though it's tremendously easier to organize a Criterion run.

Both DRS and Criterion have nearly zero relevant rewards once you get the mount. It isn't about rewards, it's about enjoyment.

On the other hand I literally don't know a single person who does mob grinding in Eureka for the enjoyment (other than, apparently, you). Everyone I know who did it found spawning NMs extremely, extremely dull. People literally do it only for the rewards/power progression and that's bad.

Priority #1: Make the content enjoyable
Priority #2: Attach meaningful rewards to enjoyable content

variant actions are completely worthless

I agree with this, which is why I think Variant and Criterion dungeons are mediocre at best and am extremely confused why everyone is praising it.

Everyone is fixated on the reward structure of Criterion dungeons, and most raiders say it was fun.

If it's so fun, why aren't you (you as in the raiders who praised it) doing it again and again? People do Delubrum NORMAL again and again for fun, even when it's not required. People spam ranked Crystalline Conflict even when they are already safe in top 30/top 100, because it's fun, even when top 100 rewards are extremely bad, with a bad title and a frame nobody cares about.

If it's so fun, why is nobody doing Criterion dungeons? It isn't about the rewards.

[Supersnow845]

I don't know why you keep trying to ask for SE to focus on attaching good rewards to content you personally enjoy or to try to "fix" power progression.

How about they make the content actually fun? Nearly everyone I know who run DRS regularly are in it only for the fun, since there is next to no relevant rewards attached to it after the first clear (who cares about BiS in Bozja?). Nearly everyone I know who run Criterion, on the other hand, only finds it fun enough in the moment but no one actually wants to go back in even though it's tremendously easier to organize a Criterion run.

Both DRS and Criterion have nearly zero relevant rewards once you get the mount. It isn't about rewards, it's about enjoyment.



I agree with this, which is why I think Variant and Criterion dungeons are mediocre at best and am extremely confused why everyone is praising it.

I mean not sure why you singled me out here considering BA is about the only content that I regularly do at this point, I 100% do content for the fun rather than the rewards, I have don’t way to much grinding in Bozja that has got me almost zero rewards just because I personally find it fun

Good rewards and fun content can both exist together, I personally think BA is both good content and has a strong reward structure, DRS is fun content with a terrible reward structure, C/V is boring content with a bad reward structure, I’m not opposed to evergreened older more boring content with better rewards even if it doesn’t fix the content is boring, I think both can coexist even if fun should be the priority

But I already know you think I’m insane for liking the fate grind part of field content so……..eh

[Noumenon]

I mean not sure why you singled me out here considering BA is about the only content that I regularly do at this point, I 100% do content for the fun rather than the rewards, I have don’t way to much grinding in Bozja that has got me almost zero rewards just because I personally find it fun

Good rewards and fun content can both exist together, I personally think BA is both good content and has a strong reward structure, DRS is fun content with a terrible reward structure, C/V is boring content with a bad reward structure, I’m not opposed to evergreened older more boring content with better rewards even if it doesn’t fix the content is boring, I think both can coexist even if fun should be the priority

But I already know you think I’m insane for liking the fate grind part of field content so……..eh

I probably should've phrased my reply in a more generic sense. The dominant narrative around Criterion is about the rewards, and that occludes the real problem, so whenever I see people talking about the rewards I have the urge to chime in to say "no, it isn't just about the rewards, the actual content is bad too".

[Swordsman]

So we just got a little interview about Variant and Criterion recently here

https://www.inverse.com/gaming/ffxiv...eons-interview

Of course the biggest thing to take notice of is

So they are aware that rewards are lacking but its sadly is going to take some time for that to change.

Yep, criterion and variant are pretty much one and done for now. No sense in doing it repeatedly until there's some incentive to do it.

[Canadane]

Yep, criterion and variant are pretty much one and done for now. No sense in doing it repeatedly until there's some incentive to do it.

Well Variant is 10 and done, right?

[Swordsman]

Well Variant is 10 and done, right?

Yeah that's correct. However many branches that need to be done to complete one full run of the variant dungeon.

[NekoMataMata]

Yeah that's correct. However many branches that need to be done to complete one full run of the variant dungeon.

10 and done assuming you don't mess up any of the choices and that gives you the achievement for the regular mount.

But also could go above 10 if you're a minion hunter as the chests in crit have a chance to drop various minions or if you're hunting TT cards.


Meanwhile, Crit only has one mount that's not even as good as the one you can get from variant.

[Swordsman]

10 and done assuming you don't mess up any of the choices and that gives you the achievement for the regular mount.

But also could go above 10 if you're a minion hunter as the chests in crit have a chance to drop various minions or if you're hunting TT cards.


Meanwhile, Crit only has one mount that's not even as good as the one you can get from variant.

Sure, if people are into that I'd say go for it. I was really hoping that variant and criterion would provide an alternate method of gearing up, so I left it alone after one run through.