Zepla: The Players Endwalker Left Behind

[Recon1o6]

assuming ren's summary is accurate her takes about what counts as midcore are fairly off but her point about no midcore content is spot on


Extreme fights are midcore. In theory. They run the gamut of being barely above casual to harder than some savage floors. Zodiark for example is a joke of an extreme but Sephirot is harder than some savage fights.
BA is hardcore. Too big punishments for death, too much prep work in terms of study and grouping requirements. Its closest competitor is delubrum savage.

Delubrum normal however is just an alliance raid with inflated hp bars and not in the duty finder for some bizarre reason.

Dalriada and Castrum are midcore. They have some penalty and the fights can trip you up sometimes and some coordination is neccessary but the lack of enrages means a couple of people can scrape an eventual clear.

Shes completely correct on criterion being normal, savage and ultimate difficulty instead of normal (easy) extreme (medium) hard (savage). Some of those mechanics are killer.
Fun fact: alexander was supposed to have 3 tiers of difficulty but time constraints meant they had to cut it to 2.

[ReynTime]

assuming ren's summary is accurate her takes about what counts as midcore are fairly off but her point about no midcore content is spot on


Extreme fights are midcore. In theory. They run the gamut of being barely above casual to harder than some savage floors. Zodiark for example is a joke of an extreme but Sephirot is harder than some savage fights.
BA is hardcore. Too big punishments for death, too much prep work in terms of study and grouping requirements. Its closest competitor is delubrum savage.

Delubrum normal however is just an alliance raid with inflated hp bars and not in the duty finder for some bizarre reason.

Dalriada and Castrum are midcore. They have some penalty and the fights can trip you up sometimes and some coordination is neccessary but the lack of enrages means a couple of people can scrape an eventual clear.

Shes completely correct on criterion being normal, savage and ultimate difficulty instead of normal (easy) extreme (medium) hard (savage). Some of those mechanics are killer.
Fun fact: alexander was supposed to have 3 tiers of difficulty but time constraints meant they had to cut it to 2.

Just came to agree with this. There's no way BA can be considered 'mid' core, and Extremes can vary a lot, specially some from ARR and Heavensward.

[Supersnow845]

Just came to agree with this. There's no way BA can be considered 'mid' core, and Extremes can vary a lot, specially some from ARR and Heavensward.

People seriously overstate the “punishment” for dying in BA, if you are anywhere besides ozma extremely likely a healer will sac you, if you are at ozma and you are a new player often a vet will sac you anyway even if it means they get sucked out instead, if you get sucked out to ozma well you still got 15 obscures, 18 eureka fragments for upgrades and a chance at both zenteksuken swords and the conditional virtue, that’s how BA was setup to work, you chipped away at it and used eureka fragments to do more damage and get further in

In the extremely rare case there is a wipe or too many die for the number of sacs the party has then it takes about 10 minutes at sprite island to get back to 60 and you get 500 conceptuals/fundamentals out of it

New player setups for logos actions are also easy as hell these days, bring a damage essence, bring a support action or 2, have SOTR up and don’t bring platebearer

Considering you can oneshot it (and the majority of people do) just by mindlessly following someone else’s call-outs I think it’s pretty hard to justify BA as hardcore