Zepla: Endwalker is the Worst FFXIV Expansion I have played

[Zanarkand-Ronso]

The issue is not the content, it's its longevity. The model you gave might be true, but tells nothing about the longevity of the content. You can make the best content ever, if you don't give players incentives to run it, after a few runs, they'll stop doing it. Put a true relic story in Enwalker and make the relics items only gettable from Variant Dungeons, and I'm pretty sure you would have, with the same content, a lot less complaints.

I think that idea has been suggested before, and it would have been a smart Decision. One that, they unfortunately didnt consider. It would be neat if they surprise us in the final step and its abit of a grind. But Ive been expecting that 2 steps already. Kept thinking it would be like The Resistance Relic where they eased us in with easy 1st steps, and then brought us to the grind.
Relic isnt finished yet so maybe lol.

Longevity I think is a different Argument here though. Because I was focused on the Specific Complaint that "We are Getting More of the Same"
While there is also the Complaint "Why didnt they just do more of the same"
There is "No 'New' Content" & "We just want the same type of Content"
I understand Longevity, but if we are moaning about getting the same type of content....then its weird to ask for the same type of content.

[AlexiaD]

I think that idea has been suggested before, and it would have been a smart Decision. One that, they unfortunately didnt consider. It would be neat if they surprise us in the final step and its abit of a grind. But Ive been expecting that 2 steps already. Kept thinking it would be like The Resistance Relic where they eased us in with easy 1st steps, and then brought us to the grind.
Relic isnt finished yet so maybe lol.

Longevity I think is a different Argument here though. Because I was focused on the Specific Complaint that "We are Getting More of the Same"
While there is also the Complaint "Why didnt they just do more of the same"
There is "No 'New' Content" & "We just want the same type of Content"
I understand Longevity, but if we are moaning about getting the same type of content....then its weird to ask for the same type of content.

M+ has longevity though in WoW, can FF say the same ?

I dont find running the same 2 dungeons in expert roulettes every day for 6 months very engaging personally but maybe that's just me.

You asked for someone's opinion on content and how other games do it differently, I gave you an idea in the previous page on the last post of the page, since we are on a new page I assume you didnt see it.

[Zanarkand-Ronso]

""A Clear Explanation and Answer to my Question.""

Finally, not a troll or sarcastic response from someone, so I can actually learn something, and even agree with it.

[Zanarkand-Ronso]

I gave you an idea in the previous page on the last post of the page, since we are on a new page I assume you didnt see it.

No I saw it, and responded to it.
Thank You

[AlexiaD]

No I saw it, and responded to it.
Thank You

You're welcome, was my pleasure, I dont mind constructive discussions, I ask for nothing more than that, better than the usual "wow bad ffxiv good" or "ffxiv bad wow good"

[Elissar]

What is scheduled literally got announced at the event, its the exact same things that we had in EW

You are doing cherry picking. It's a new expansion, those contents are obviously present. Yoshi P itself said "of course we will have new dungeons, raids and ultimate".

Perhaps the highlight is the confirmation of a ultimate, we may have 3 if we are lucky.

You should mention the next slides too




They won't abandon current systems and we will have an exploratory zone in the next expansion.
At this point you are looking for reasons to be angry, take some rest.

[AlexiaD]

You are doing cherry picking. It's a new expansion, those contents are obviously present. Yoshi P itself said "of course we will have new dungeons, raids and ultimate".

Perhaps the highlight is the confirmation of a ultimate, maybe we will have 3 if we are lucky.



You should mention the next slides too




They won't abandon current systems and we will have a exploratory zone on the next expansion.
At this point you are looking for reasons to be angry, take some rest.

Thank you for proving my point that nothing is new on the next slide too.

[SargeTheSeagull]

Someone said this earlier in the thread but it's worth reiterating: An absence of rewards in a single player game is perfectly fine. The developer/publisher of a single player game is nothing to gain from people putting 500+ hours into it. Good rewards are mandatory in MMOs. If you don't have good rewards, your MMO starts to feel empty and dead which is the worst thing possible. Nobody wants to feel alone in an MMO. If you do have lots of good rewards you have a situation like Bozja/Eureka where people log in and do the same stuff over and over, some may even enjoy it. For the people who don't enjoy it, they'll probably still do it and maybe they'll even make some friends. If you don't add any good rewards, you have a situation like we have now in EW where people do the new content one time, maybe two, and don't touch it again. This means that the people who already did it have less reason to resub and people who couldn't do the new content the first week or two have a hard time finding groups to do it so they give up. This also means that in general fewer people are in the game doing stuff causing the game to feel empty and boring. I don't mind us getting the same type of stuff in DT as we got in EW as long as it's actually fun and rewarding. But those two things are what, IMO, EW has failed to be.

[Aldath]

I used to not be the biggest fan of Zepla, as some people i knew raided with her back in TEA, and generally wasn't someone i used to relate to much.

Though, this video was pretty much on point with how i feel with the game aswell,(I even called Endwalker the WoD of FFXIV in one of my previous posts) i usually take small breaks between raidtiers/ultimates and such but this time i feel like my breaks are way longer and it makes me care for the game less even though i've been playing since ARR.

I still love the game, the artstyle, the raids and i do feel like this expansion was definately the weakest in terms of content. My FC became a ghost town most of the time... So yeah, i'll be patient but i've heard a lot of people in my friend circle that if Dawntrail is exactly the same as this expansion that we might just kind of stop playing the game.

I'm not denying that some of you guys are still having fun with the game, that's totally fine i just wish i didn't see some people try to deny others from having fun by saying we have ""enough"" when previous expansions had more content, more content that can be done whenever you want is better even if it's content you do not care about.

I'm enjoying it a lot because I began playing two months ago and that means I have a lot of content to play through; however, I've been a fan of the game since ARR and followed its evolution, and I can see why people would be disappointed at this point and I bet my perspective would be different if I was a veteran.
Heck, even as a newcomer I can already see some glaring issues including:

-Lack of tanks and healers compared to dps classes.
-Stale Healer gameplay, with community concerns being answered with sarcasm by the producer.
-A terrible level sync system that makes older content non engaging.
-Lack of incentive for doing old Ex and Savage content synced, which makes it so newer players have it harder to keep up, grow, and experience some unique bosses, like Gaia and Neo Exdeath.
-Cash shop slowly pushing away in game cosmetic rewards.
-No future proofing exploratory content.
-Disregard for chat and PF moderation.

I don't think the game is falling off a cliff yet, but we're getting dangerously close, and I get the feeling Dawntrail will be the accelerator rather than the break.

[Berkin]

I DO understand this, but this is also true of other stuff. Criterion is going to be 3 dungeons, 15 bosses, with 3 difficulty settings and mechanic sets, and the boss attack patterns and abilities, even within a difficulty, have alterations (e.g. I'm only counting the first boss as "1", but it's actually "3" since it's on each path AND each one has at least two variations, so it's actually "6"). Island Sanctuary is a grind and customization and minion and outdoor furnishing and party/venue/friends group and "grind" for rewards content. Calling them "just Criterion/Island" is disingenuous, too, but it's what people are doing.

Though, again: I complain about Bozja/Eureka being gone. Have you not seen me do so in my posts?

As you can see by my post count I'm rather new to this forum and I didn't really feel like reading over 100 pages out of this thread, so not really, I haven't seen you do so.
But it's nice knowing we're on the same page.

That aside, if you're going spreadsheet mode to compare the content, I still maintain that we're getting less content overall.

Bozja and Zadnor both had 12 Critical Engagements, a lot of them with Normal Trial/Alliance Raid mechanical complexity, and 3 Duels with savage level mechanics, that's already 30 encounters total.
Then you add Castrum Lacus Litore, which also has like 3 interesting fights in it and Dalriada, admittedly a little worse but still at least 2 decent fights.
Aside from all that Memoria Misera was a fun little Extreme Trial and Delubrum Reginae was a full on Alliance Raid with a very interesting Savage difficulty on top of it.
That's not even counting over 50 FATE's that as much as people like to bash as boring a few of them were actually kind of interesting.

Even if you add DD to the count I don't really think Criterion manages to compare to this.

BTW, savage difficulty is just normal Criterion with bumped up HP/Damage and a few limitations like being unable to rez, I wouldn't call that a whole different set of mechanics but you do you.