Zepla: Endwalker is the Worst FFXIV Expansion I have played

[Loonastra]

I used to not be the biggest fan of Zepla, as some people i knew raided with her back in TEA, and generally wasn't someone i used to relate to much.

Though, this video was pretty much on point with how i feel with the game aswell,(I even called Endwalker the WoD of FFXIV in one of my previous posts) i usually take small breaks between raidtiers/ultimates and such but this time i feel like my breaks are way longer and it makes me care for the game less even though i've been playing since ARR.

I still love the game, the artstyle, the raids and i do feel like this expansion was definately the weakest in terms of content. My FC became a ghost town most of the time... So yeah, i'll be patient but i've heard a lot of people in my friend circle that if Dawntrail is exactly the same as this expansion that we might just kind of stop playing the game.

I'm not denying that some of you guys are still having fun with the game, that's totally fine i just wish i didn't see some people try to deny others from having fun by saying we have ""enough"" when previous expansions had more content, more content that can be done whenever you want is better even if it's content you do not care about.

[IkaraGreydancer]

I used to not be the biggest fan of Zepla, as some people i knew raided with her back in TEA, and generally wasn't someone i used to relate to much.

Though, this video was pretty much on point with how i feel with the game aswell,(I even called Endwalker the WoD of FFXIV in one of my previous posts) i usually take small breaks between raidtiers/ultimates and such but this time i feel like my breaks are way longer and it makes me care for the game less even though i've been playing since ARR.

I still love the game, the artstyle, the raids and i do feel like this expansion was definately the weakest in terms of content. My FC became a ghost town most of the time... So yeah, i'll be patient but i've heard a lot of people in my friend circle that if Dawntrail is exactly the same as this expansion that we might just kind of stop playing the game.

I'm not denying that some of you guys are still having fun with the game, that's totally fine i just wish i didn't see some people try to deny others from having fun by saying we have ""enough"" when previous expansions had more content, more content that can be done whenever you want is better even if it's content you do not care about.

I don't think folks sayings we've gotten enough are denying other people fun tbf. They aren't the ones in charge. Many folks are treating EW like a much needed break for the end of a what, 10 year long journey? I can't say their wrong for doing as such. I myself have been on that wave a bit and it's refreshing. BUT I understand some folks want things to do for various hours of each day n that's fine as well. EW is clearly not the expac for that and I'm sure 7.0 additions as well as FF16 are part of why.
Content amount isn't EWs problem. Rewards are.

Also to that last point, SB and ShB were just as dry to folks who didn't care for Eureka/Boz as basically that was the content for those expansions. (SB gets a leg up due to Heaven on High)

[AlexiaD]

I used to not be the biggest fan of Zepla, as some people i knew raided with her back in TEA, and generally wasn't someone i used to relate to much.

Though, this video was pretty much on point with how i feel with the game aswell,(I even called Endwalker the WoD of FFXIV in one of my previous posts) i usually take small breaks between raidtiers/ultimates and such but this time i feel like my breaks are way longer and it makes me care for the game less even though i've been playing since ARR.

I still love the game, the artstyle, the raids and i do feel like this expansion was definately the weakest in terms of content. My FC became a ghost town most of the time... So yeah, i'll be patient but i've heard a lot of people in my friend circle that if Dawntrail is exactly the same as this expansion that we might just kind of stop playing the game.

I'm not denying that some of you guys are still having fun with the game, that's totally fine i just wish i didn't see some people try to deny others from having fun by saying we have ""enough"" when previous expansions had more content, more content that can be done whenever you want is better even if it's content you do not care about.

My only advice, dont expect ANYTHING different from EW in Dawntrail

What is scheduled literally got announced at the event, its the exact same things that we had in EW

[Boblawblah]

My only advice, dont expect ANYTHING different from EW in Dawntrail

What is scheduled literally got announced at the event, its the exact same things that we had in EW

Expecting a drastic difference in how they're developing the game at this stage is straight up copium.

[AlexiaD]

Expecting a drastic difference in how they're developing the game at this stage is straight up copium.

I mean glad we can agree for once lol, but yeah, I dont see what people expect in all honesty, people are holding on thinking somehow the recipe will change in DT and that it will become "fresh and new" with "brand new content",

It really wont, it'll be more of the same, people need to stop coping, what we have is here to stay, and that's the reality of it, yes there will be "brand new content" but it'll be the exact same things we got in EW as to the type of content.

[AngelCheese77]

Came back this morning to see that posts have been removed. Good on the mods for stepping in.

[Zanarkand-Ronso]

Every Expansion has been "More of the Same" with maybe 1 New thing.

Stormblood we got Eureka and of Course 8-man & Alliance Raid Series
Shadowbringers we got another Eureka + Ultimate and of Course 8-man & Alliance Raid Series
Endwalker we got more Ultimates + Variant Dungeons and of Course 8-man & Alliance Raid Series
Dawntrail we are getting more Ultimates, + Variant Dungeons and of Course 8-man & Alliance Raid Series

I just find it interesting that FFXIV has been on this Cycle for over a decade and now suddenly its an issue.
And also, how is this any different from other MMOs that pretty much do "More of the Same"

But hey, maybe somebody can educate me how WoW or ESO or whatever reinvented the wheel every expansion, and didnt just give "More of the Same"
Im being for real here, if anybody could educate me, because I played very little of both those MMOs. Maybe there is a difference here Im unaware of.
Unless its just "I like how they did it more"

But since Bozja wasn’t perfect let’s throw the baby out with the bath water and replace it with C/V, definitely a worthwhile trade off

This is why I kind find this interesting.
There are complaints that we are just getting "More of the Same"
And then we have complaints of "Why didnt they just give us more of teh same" by doing Field Content 3x in a row, and maybe advocating for it 4x in a row.

They tried alot of "new" and different things in Endwalker, which we all agree is flawed. But dont like that they didnt just give us the same thing we liked. But also complain we are just getting the same things.

Its just...kind of weird to me.

[AlexiaD]

Every Expansion has been "More of the Same" with maybe 1 New thing.

Stormblood we got Eureka and of Course 8-man & Alliance Raid Series
Shadowbringers we got another Eureka + Ultimate and of Course 8-man & Alliance Raid Series
Endwalker we got more Ultimates + Variant Dungeons and of Course 8-man & Alliance Raid Series
Dawntrail we are getting more Ultimates, + Variant Dungeons and of Course 8-man & Alliance Raid Series

I just find it interesting that FFXIV has been on this Cycle for over a decade and now suddenly its an issue.
And also, how is this any different from other MMOs that pretty much do "More of the Same"

But hey, maybe somebody can educate me how WoW or ESO or whatever reinvented the wheel every expansion, and didnt just give "More of the Same"
Im being for real here, if anybody could educate me, because I played very little of both those MMOs. Maybe there is a difference here Im unaware of.
Unless its just "I like how they did it more"

I can only speak from a WoW standpoint as I dont play any other MMO aside from FF and WoW

As disliked as SL was, Shadowlands had as new content Covenants and Torghast which were brand new kind of content that you could work towards, on top of the usual m+ and raids + outdoor content

Yes, FF tried that as well with variant dungeons etc, the problem is that it was mostly a failure due to having barely any rewards, or that people just gave up on it entirely a la "one and done"

FF basically took a copy of WoW's M+ system and made it have no rewards, which was the biggest mistake to do.

The M+ pool also changes quite often in DF, old dungeons are put in to refresh the pool amongst the new DF dungeons (usually about 50/50, 50% new ones, 50% old ones), while in FF, you run the same expert dungeons for 6 months every single day, mind you still with absolutely 0 difficulty, unlike WoW's M+ which has stacking difficulty via mythic keystones with increased rewards.

DF also brought in dragonflying, which is meh but that's just my opinion, it has outdoor events once again that gives decent-ish rewards, while M+/Raiding stay as the main source of loot, but they also created a new upgrade system for items so that even casuals can upgrade their gear to a decent level, which is a very good thing as it caters to both kind of people, hardcore and casuals.

WoW also upped the cadence regarding content, pumping out content more often also did a public roadmap of what's to come for the rest of the year, which in my eyes is a giant plus because at least you know what to expect, more smaller events are popping pretty much every few weeks at most if not every 2 weeks or so with usually interesting content, added to catch up gear that keeps you engaged even on alts, timewalking is also huge if you like to run old dungeons.

[CStrife912]

Came back this morning to see that posts have been removed. Good on the mods for stepping in.

What posts are you referring to and from what user? Didnt know stuff has been touched from mods

I mean glad we can agree for once lol, but yeah, I dont see what people expect in all honesty, people are holding on thinking somehow the recipe will change in DT and that it will become "fresh and new" with "brand new content",

It really wont, it'll be more of the same, people need to stop coping, what we have is here to stay, and that's the reality of it, yes there will be "brand new content" but it'll be the exact same things we got in EW as to the type of content.

The only 2 things that are new so far is a new lifestyle content (which I don't know why they are especially if it doesn't interconnect with IS and another style of battle content) I will say more things may get announced at the next 2 fanfests as bozja/eureka weren't announced at the initial fanfest but that's really all I can say on the matter.

[CNitsah]

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The issue is not the content, it's its longevity. The model you gave might be true, but tells nothing about the longevity of the content. You can make the best content ever, if you don't give players incentives to run it, after a few runs, they'll stop doing it. Put a true relic story in Enwalker and make the relics items only gettable from Variant Dungeons, and I'm pretty sure you would have, with the same content, a lot less complaints.