Zepla: Endwalker is the Worst FFXIV Expansion I have played

[Renathras]

Maybe a second read through...

No, Snow. I'm not going to help you derail this thread anymore.

EDIT:

NOTE, for the record: I CAN offer an argument and explain, but you don't care and won't accept it, and it's just more derailing. If you guys want to derail the thread, YOU get to do it and YOU get the blowback for doing it. I'm tired of being party to that inanity AND getting the blame for it.

"I derailed this thread all along, but now that I need to show evidence of my claims, I dont want it to derail it anymore"

never fail Renathras.

No, Alexia/Twinpeaks, I'm not going to help you derail this thread anymore, either.

He says while continuing to derail the thread more lmao

No, Rolder50, I'm not going to help YOU derail this thread anymore, EITHER.

Seriously, no part of this post of yours was NOT a derail. You didn't address the thread topic, you didn't address a discussion topic, all you did was address me, one of the posters, trying to continue the side-topic/derail about whether or not Snow is incorrectly interpreting things.

If you guys want to have that conversation - that DERAIL - you'll have to do it yourselves.

Honestly its pretty hilarious at this point, it's like a whole movie

NO, Alexia, I WON'T help you continue to derail the thread.

Protip: When you're having a conversation with yourselves about someone else derailing the thread - YOU ARE DERAILING THE THREAD.

I think, if you only started playing up to or after Endwalker launch, you might not be the target audience for the video or this topic discussion. The game is good. Great, in fact, there are thousands and thousands of hours of content to keep you occupied.

I'm pretty sure Zepla's video is expressing the thoughts and opinions specifically of someone who's been playing the game for several years. When you've done all the older content, you want to keep occupied with the new stuff; and unfortunately, Endwalker just doesn't deliver as well as previous expansions. It's not bad, it's just not good either.

This is correct.

Zepla even said this in her second video reading the comments. There were lots of comments from new players saying this, and she basically said (paraphrase): That's good and I'm genuinely super happy for you. FFXIV is a great game, I absolutely encourage people to play it. I just wish it had more at the top end.

I think part of the problem was her naming the video "worst expansion" and her tone in the first video really, unfortunately, muddying the waters from her point. Her second video kind of redeems a lot of it, but people who want everyone to hate on the game kind of missed that.

[Rolder50]

No, Snow. I'm not going to help you derail this thread anymore.

EDIT:

NOTE, for the record: I CAN offer an argument and explain, but you don't care and won't accept it, and it's just more derailing. If you guys want to derail the thread, YOU get to do it and YOU get the blowback for doing it. I'm tired of being party to that inanity AND getting the blame for it.

He says while continuing to derail the thread more lmao

[AlexiaD]

He says while continuing to derail the thread more lmao

Honestly its pretty hilarious at this point, it's like a whole movie

[ty_taurus]

I think part of the problem was her naming the video "worst expansion" and her tone in the first video really, unfortunately, muddying the waters from her point. Her second video kind of redeems a lot of it, but people who want everyone to hate on the game kind of missed that.

But the name of her video isn't "Endwalker is the Worst FFXIV Expansion." It's "Endwalker is the Worst FFXIV Expansion I have played." Right from the beginning, she's very clear that her video is about her perspective and her opinion. And to my knowledge, the majority of her video is very 'criticism sandwich' where she points out the good and the bad. Using words like "worst expansion" should not muddy the water when its very transparent about being an opinion piece even from the title.

[Jojoya]

But the name of her video isn't "Endwalker is the Worst FFXIV Expansion." It's "Endwalker is the Worst FFXIV Expansion I have played." Right from the beginning, she's very clear that her video is about her perspective and her opinion. And to my knowledge, the majority of her video is very 'criticism sandwich' where she points out the good and the bad. Using words like "worst expansion" should not muddy the water when its very transparent about being an opinion piece even from the title.

She could have used a title like "My Feelings about Endwalker" and avoided the drama altogether. The title used sets the impressions she's going to go on a rant about how terrible the game is and there are plenty of people out there who are going to use it as such regardless of what she says in the video.

Using a borderline clickbait title like that might get her more views but it also generates more misconceptions and controversy.

The issue is you're not going to be new forever, and it is not uncommon for newer players to ask of more experienced ones where the game currently is sitting once you hit max level (partly to find out if it's worth investing the time), not to mention you may well be in a FC with them and notice they're not on as much as before. So I think forward-looking newer players might grow concerned as well.

That's going to depend on what sort of gaming background the new player is coming from.

I'll chat with new players on occasion. Unless they're coming from a WoW or some sort of competitive game that is end game focused, they don't want to talk about end game. They want to talk what they've already experience and if there's something they might have missed that they should know about.

[ty_taurus]

She could have used a title like "My Feelings about Endwalker" and avoided the drama altogether. The title used sets the impressions she's going to go on a rant about how terrible the game is and there are plenty of people out there who are going to use it as such regardless of what she says in the video.

Using a borderline clickbait title like that might get her more views but it also generates more misconceptions and controversy.

Why does someone need to use gentle language to express their opinions though? If it's been the worst expansion she's experienced, why is it a crime for her to say that? It's also not a rant. With nearly every discussion point, she talks about the positives before talking about the negatives. That is literally the definition of appropriate and healthy criticism.

[Supersnow845]

Why does someone need to use gentle language to express their opinions though? If it's been the worst expansion she's experienced, why is it a crime for her to say that? It's also not a rant. With nearly every discussion point, she talks about the positives before talking about the negatives. That is literally the definition of appropriate and healthy criticism.

The same people would have zero problems if EW was their best expansion ever

Should we go around telling people BG3 potentially being GOTY is “too harsh language” and it should be “my thoughts on BG3”

[LittleImp]

Why does someone need to use gentle language to express their opinions though?

Because it's an opinion they disagree with.

The goalposts will be moved infinitely no matter how criticism is worded here; Someone could be as gentle and positive as humanly possible, and they would just move the goal posts further and accuse the person of being patronizing or sarcastic.

They aren't genuinely concerned about the tone of the criticism; It's just a bad faith tactic to try undermine a message they don't agree with.

[OgruMogru]

Why does someone need to use gentle language to express their opinions though? If it's been the worst expansion she's experienced, why is it a crime for her to say that? It's also not a rant. With nearly every discussion point, she talks about the positives before talking about the negatives. That is literally the definition of appropriate and healthy criticism.

Fetch the Scold's Bridle!! This screeching harlot needs to watch her TONE!

[Vahlnir]

Why does someone need to use gentle language to express their opinions though? If it's been the worst expansion she's experienced, why is it a crime for her to say that? It's also not a rant. With nearly every discussion point, she talks about the positives before talking about the negatives. That is literally the definition of appropriate and healthy criticism.

In fairness, she did rant a little bit, but not excessively so. Personally, I probably wouldn't have been able to contain myself even half as well as she did. She was definitely holding back just a little to keep it relatively civil. As someone who is also frustrated with the current state of the game, I completely understand.